It is all, because of my mistake.

I thought there is no rule about it.

I think I take it from CL13 when I saw someone left LuFredd and games were not forfeited (now I don't even know if I remembered it correctly).

Its definitely happened in the past, before last season. Maybe outlaws or someone like that, I cant quite remember.

From the CL Rules:

Any player present in a clan's roster must also be a member of that clan on the date of the submission deadline. This must also be the case during all of the game creation stages; only after all games have been created can a member no longer be in the clan.

So as I see it, if all the VIW-Blitz players skedaddle back to VIW before their last games are created, they'll be fine - it's only when the roster is submitted, and the moment the games are created, that you must be in the clan you're representing. At least, that's how I interpret the rule. The question remains though, haveany game been created since these players jumped clans? I know the 3v3 Middle-earth game vs TLA is still in distribution (this is where Naviiso noticed it), but is there any way of confirming which clan the players were in when the invite was created?

terrible rule and looks like everyone agrees, time to get rid of it

Also I disagree. I think the current rule is for good reason - the idea of playing CL for a clan is that you're representing that clan in the top tier of WZ competition. If you're not even in that clan when you're playing for/representing them, then it just ruins the whole point of Clan League which, as I see it, is for teams representing their clans to compete against other such teams. If the players in a team are all from a mixture of clans, then it's not really clan vs clan then, is it?

I lost from Mathematician tonight quite easily,while from the creation of our game he was under Blitz banner.I'm not gonna steal his 100% fair win under a rule that was made to avoid clan hoppers and not clans merging.Vikingers won't ask for free "non-sweat" points for us or any kind of penalti for VIW.If there's any clan that wants to get free points like that,be my guest,but they won't have our vote.
It's a freaking game that every single passing season the competition is falling..This season,divD has only 5 clans and next season who knows-count VIW and Vikingers out for the next one through merging cases-.Perhaps we should find ways to keep the competition as intact as we can instead of trying to punish clans with any possible way,just saying..

Also I disagree. I think the current rule is for good reason - the idea of playing CL for a clan is that you're representing that clan in the top tier of WZ competition. If you're not even in that clan when you're playing for/representing them, then it just ruins the whole point of Clan League which, as I see it, is for teams representing their clans to compete against other such teams. If the players in a team are all from a mixture of clans, then it's not really clan vs clan then, is it?

Surely on that principle alts playing for other teams also does not reflect a true clan vs clan competition.

If CL were a quick competition I would agree but the fact it goes on for months changes things. Players go inactive, want a change, merge etc.

As a result of the current VIW ruling the points distribution is wholly unfair and with things so tight can make or break a season.

A rule which can be easily bypassed (by creating an alt), but hurts people (by disallowing the whole clan to change/ merge clan) is a very amazing idea and should be grandfathered into the Clan League.

Surely on that principle alts playing for other teams also does not reflect a true clan vs clan competition.

This is true, it does not.

If CL were a quick competition I would agree but the fact it goes on for months changes things. Players go inactive, want a change, merge etc.

Everyone knows that CL is a long competition - by signing up to play, you are signing up to play for that clan for the whole season, otherwise you sub out.

by disallowing the whole clan to change/ merge clan

This isn't being disallowed - it's only restricting the CL players from doing it mid-season, which I think is reasonable. In professional sports, if you're contracted to play for the season, you can't ditch your club during the season, wear another jersey but still play for the club you ditched... Obviously the analogy isn't quite perfect, but the reasoning behind it is similar, I think.

Vikingers won't ask for free "non-sweat" points for us or any kind of penalti for VIW.If there's any clan that wants to get free points like that,be my guest,but they won't have our vote.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not asking for these points. I hear that VIW made an honest mistake, and I'm fine if no penalties are pressed. I do think it would be courteous of them, though, after they have acknowledged their mistake to show that they sincerely want to do the right thing, and return to VIW until the last games are created. I don't see this as being too much to ask, and I think it would show that they truly didn't mean to transgress any rules, and therefore no penalties would be needed.

But hey, I no longer represent my clan in this matter, and these opinions are my own, so I will leave it with that, and let our clan contacts sort it out with the others. :)

I can understand the rule in some way. Imagine to just join the clan you want to play for only on the day the League starts and then join back the clan you actually belong to. This would be just wrong.

I think as a clan vs clan competition this rule intends to force you to be a part of the clan you play for, for the duration of the clan league, as much as it is possible to check your belonging.

I dont know what the right decision would be here. Forfeitures hurt the clan they have left, but also benefits the clans that get the forfeited points and hurts the clans that doesnt get the forfeited points.

I think the most reasonable solution would be to go on with the games and give the clan a points penalty maybe. This would not give any other clan any disadvantage or advantage. And since the punished clan anyway has issues to keep the members it would be reasonable to give them a penalty, because the points that are contensted of the leaving players now also wouldnt come in by them in the following season. If the clan promotes in a higher division, they would without this player(s) lose out maybe and only take away the chance of a more solid clan.

Edited 4/18/2022 17:54:40

This isn't being disallowed - it's only restricting the CL players from doing it mid-season, which I think is reasonable. In professional sports, if you're contracted to play for the season, you can't ditch your club during the season, wear another jersey but still play for the club you ditched... Obviously the analogy isn't quite perfect, but the reasoning behind it is similar, I think.

We wanted to change clan for a clan without a cap, I think at the very beginning of CL (Either none or very few games have started). We got a message from CL, that it is not possible.
There is a difference between one person changing clans and the whole clan moving. In the real world, you can't make an alt of yourself to join another clan. Here you can. This rule really just punishes clans.

Just to be clear,

Most of our players left/will leave VIW and will join blitz (I think including all who played in this CL), so VIW will be out of CL for next season. We will play as blitz. So no need worrying about VIW taking place of 'some more solid clan' as (ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! said.

Edited 4/18/2022 19:09:49

The penalty idea seems the most reasonable outcome. "Punishes" the clan but doesn't impact on the others.

For Clarity, Vikinger wont compete moving forward pending a merge with BIA.

I am always a friend of let the rule be the rule. Dont change it during the season and stick to it and the form of penalty it describes in this case.

If the rules is adjusted for next season it can cover also a scenario like I described above. I wasnt pointing on Vikingers or VIW, but have spoken more generally.


EDIT: You are right it is not mentioned in the rules, what form of penalty is used. My bad.

Edited 4/19/2022 09:08:40

We wanted to change clan for a clan without a cap, I think at the very beginning of CL (Either none or very few games have started). We got a message from CL, that it is not possible.

As I already said, only the CL players can't change clans during the season. It is 100% possible for your clan to move to one without a cap during the season, just not the players on your CL roster. If you need to wait for your CL players, then wait till the last games have been created; there's no rule that stops you from doing it then.

I think it's a non-problem.

Even if VIW gets one of the first 2 spots, they have no way to compete in B.
And point wise, the remaining Viw wouldn't have earned enough points for stay in C.

The rulebook didn't mention what happens when this rule is violated. The only mention of forfeiting in the rulebook is about retired players' accounts.

Given that the rulebook didn't mention the consequences, and some games have already been created after the merge (including 2 of my games), let's see what the CL managers will decide what the consequences shall be.

Just hope that I don't get banned for the next CL for violating the rules lol. I wanna play in the next CL as well.

I think the consensus is that majority / all of clans in C want to play the remaining games as planned to make the season fair for everyone. A point punishment might be fair, but it doesn't matter now that VIW is not continuing in CL anyway.

Careful, it actually does matter. If Blitz relegates from B this season, still a possible outcome, and VIW doesn't promote, the merged clan plays in C. If Blitz relegates and VIW does promote, Blitz can claim VIW's spot and play in B.

So VIW's result definitely matters if Blitz would relegate and that outcome is realistic enough to be taken into account.

My take: let management decide.

let management decide.

wise words.

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Kcebnroh, OrangeWars, καλλιστηι defeated IMMORTAL, cj13, K-Pott - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=29923325
Kcebnroh, OrangeWars, καλλιστηι defeated Ocean Moon, Jazzlord, tullulah - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=30502519
lineal2012, Mathematician, Le Count H defeated AlexanderTheGreat, bocker, Math Wolf - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=29771823

Current Standings:

(3-1)  The Hodopian Dynasty
(2-0)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(2-1)  The Last Alliance
(1-1)  Brothers in Arms
(1-1)  Statisticians
(1-3)  Vikinger
(0-3)  Varangian Guard

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CL15: 3v3 Deadman's Rise of Rome

Lmmtennis, Master Hotarian, Xanderaka defeated Nick, BMT216A, Math Wolf - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=29576668

Current Standings:

(2-0)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(2-0)  The Last Alliance
(2-1)  Vikinger
(1-1)  Varangian Guard
(1-2)  The Hodopian Dynasty
(0-1)  Statisticians
(0-3)  Brothers in Arms

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CL15: 2v2 Szeurope

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Current Standings:

(3-1)  The Hodopian Dynasty
(2-0)  The Last Alliance
(2-1)  Statisticians
(2-1)  Vikinger
(2-2)  Brothers in Arms
(0-2)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(0-4)  Varangian Guard

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CL15: 2v2 Strategic MME

#BanPlajer, 4tog defeated rlhull6, Piper - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=30142950
Jackie Treehorn, JuOx defeated cj13, eoghan - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=30142949

Current Standings:

(3-1)  The Hodopian Dynasty
(2-0)  Varangian Guard
(2-1)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(2-1)  Statisticians
(1-2)  The Last Alliance
(1-3)  Brothers in Arms
(0-3)  Vikinger

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Current Standings:

(4-0)  The Hodopian Dynasty
(2-0)  Statisticians
(2-0)  Brothers in Arms
(3-2)  The Last Alliance
(1-3)  Varangian Guard
(0-3)  Vikinger
(0-4)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos

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CL15: 1v1 Timid Lands

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Current Standings:

(5-0)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(3-1)  Vikinger
(3-2)  The Last Alliance
(2-1)  Brothers in Arms
(2-3)  Statisticians
(1-4)  The Hodopian Dynasty
(0-5)  Varangian Guard

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Master Hotarian defeated #BanPlajer - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=30409737
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Current Standings:

(3-0)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(3-1)  The Last Alliance
(3-2)  Vikinger
(3-2)  Brothers in Arms
(2-3)  The Hodopian Dynasty
(0-3)  Statisticians
(0-3)  Varangian Guard

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Current Standings:

(4-1)  The Last Alliance
(4-1)  Statisticians
(3-2)  Brothers in Arms
(1-1)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(1-2)  Vikinger
(1-3)  Varangian Guard
(0-4)  The Hodopian Dynasty

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Current Standings:

(4-1)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(3-0)  Brothers in Arms
(2-2)  Vikinger
(1-1)  The Last Alliance
(1-2)  Varangian Guard
(1-3)  Statisticians
(0-3)  The Hodopian Dynasty

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Current Standings:

(3-0)  The Last Alliance
(1-1)  Vikinger
(1-1)  [V.I.W] Very Important Weirdos
(0-0)  Statisticians
(1-2)  Brothers in Arms
(0-1)  Varangian Guard
(0-1)  The Hodopian Dynasty