🤔 So, Let, after +190 raffle and wzib cheats you say "it will not happen again"? 😂😂😂 After 1, 2 or 3 times you should have quit it already!

But I guess you're poisoned by the system, I bet y work in a bank environment? 😅
... Hope you learned from it, l4v.r0v fixed the potential raffle losses, so let's move on... AND NEVER CHEAT AGAIN !!

I once entered a raffle with my alt account (just that account, not a double entry) and got handed a one week suspension.

now I don't know how mods operate but that's some serious differences in how things were handled

Wasn't that alt called 'Hi Dan' or something along those lines? I doubt it had much to do with that raffle and much more with the name.

Maybe the mods are racist, or maybe they are different mods. Maybe Rick is stirring up trouble, or maybe nonolet is black...

funnily by a character who has cheated and deceived others a lot more in many more ways and now sees his chance to play "avenger of the disinherited"

Does this refer to me? If so, please substantiate your allegations. I do not wish to make this personal, so let me just put everything I know on the record to prematurely terminate your allegations.

For the record, to wit and memory (since I don't have actual access to these records), my warnings & suspensions to date have been for:
- in 2021, a warning for multi-voting on QM on duel lottery 1.0
- in 2021, a 24-hour disrespectful language suspension for mentioning Srebrenica to Boka B in a word association thread (Boka B is a Serbian nationalist who denies Serbian war crimes; Srebrenica was an act of ethnic cleansing committed during the Bosnian War by Serbian irregulars)
- in 2021, a permanent ban on one account for quoting the The Last Men Standing clan biography (which required an "above-rubbish skill level") and asking Bobby when he would kick all of his existing clan members
- in 2021, several mutes and finally a 24-hour spam suspension for counting to 1000 on Global Chat
- in 2020, several warnings for describing fictional transgressions by Anonymous Moderator on Global Chat (to check whether he was online), like "Anonymous Moderator personally killed John F. Kennedy"
- in 2016, a warning for "abuse of the report system" after I sent a lot of reports asking the moderators to handle toxicity and racism not presently within the scope of the rules
- in 2016, a disrespectful language and spam warning for copypasting copypasta, including some with obscene contents, from /r/copypasta onto the Clan League 8 Division C thread (long story)
- likely several other disrespectful language and/or spam warnings; I have been told I have a "long criminal record" when asking why I have received suspensions for content that others would not even get warned for and personally believe these suspensions have been motivated by non-rule-violations (like correctly deducing Mercer's identity from the widely-available public record corporate registration for Warzone, LLC)

I have never cheated on the ladder. If anything, I have been incredibly consistent in an anti-cheating stance throughout the years. If I see cheating, I report it and push for the perpetrators to get more than a slap on the wrist:
- I have never broken ladder rules, multi-accounted in Clan Wars, etc.
- in 2016, I publicly shamed moderation into taking action against AI's ladder cheating: https://www.warzone.com/Forum/152349-cheating-1v1-ladder
- in 2016, I unsuccessfully reported sock-puppeting in Clan League 8 Division C: https://bit.ly/mh-cheating
- in 2020, I helped get "We want Strat ME and Elo" (Beep Beep Jeep's alternate account) permanently banned for ladder cheating (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=19129760430)
- in 2021, I reported Clan Wars Season 1 cheaters including Clan Wars cheating by my own clan mate, which would have benefit me: https://i.imgur.com/LoT67B4.png
- in 2021, I unsuccessfully publicized the rocky1/BusDriver Seasonal Ladder multi-accounting (2 back-to-back seasons, after which rocky1 was warned and allowed to remain on the ladder during the second tainted season) on the forum, but the thread containing this post was deleted
[I had an activity hiatus between 2015-2016 and 2020-2021)

I have used alts in less-than-condoned ways, like multi-voting on QM (until I learned it was against the rules; but I won't lie- I did it intentionally because I don't believe QM votes have any merit that multi-voting would harm and because multi-voting on QM had been openly tolerated in the past and because I find it somehow funny that it's not actually against any stated rules) or testing the limits of Warzone's technology. But even back in the heyday of clan hijacking, when I was supposed to "infiltrate" the Falcons and leak their secrets, I couldn't: I simply told them who I was and got accepted into the clan anyway. Back in the heyday of OT (2015), when I created an alt to try and troll players by pretending to have ridiculous views, I couldn't keep that up and gave that same alt away.

If by "cheat[ing] and deceiv[ing] others" you refer to my comments around the lawsuit, support for Activision, and professed belief that Fizzer stifles this game and this community deserves better, I do not hide anything here. "Anti-Fizzer is pro-Warlight. Pro-Warlight is anti-Fizzer." is literally in my bio; anyone who has the vaguest idea of who I am knows that I openly wish for a future in which this game is run by someone other than Fizzer. Regarding the lawsuit specifically, I have meant every comment and made it in good faith- this is why you can find changes in my stated views, as more information about the case and the facts of the matter came out in the documents. I quite openly believe that Fizzer misled us when he claimed the "only" thing he did was to file an opposition to the cease-and-desist letter, when since then even his own lawyers have admitted on the record to doing far more: warning Activision since November 2020 that there would be "massive damages" if they continued using the word "warzone", having at least one round of settlement negotiations prior to the case, ending that round of settlement negotiations in March 2021 by refusing to entertain further offers (setting off the lawsuit in April), and demanding monetary compensation amounting to millions from Activision simply for using the word "warzone" in the title of their game. I don't lie or hide my intentions: I'm upfront about believing that Fizzer has persistently misled the community to raise funds for a legal battle that the player base has no actual stake in (contrary to the GoFundMe's implications, Activision is not suing to get Warzone shut down; they're suing to have the court make Warzone shut up and go away).

Even your own clan mates, who finally kicked me over my statements about the case, would not have learned about any of this had I not been too candid for my own good (https://www.warzone.com/Forum/540130-master?Offset=327). I don't even have a stake here: the money I have spent on or donated to Warzone (directly and indirectly) has essentially zero value to me ("everything rounds down to zero"), some portion of it has already been refunded by GoFundMe after I reported the deception, and regardless of the outcome of the case my life will stay the same. I have only been providing case updates and sharing information that I gain, and focusing primarily on making court documents more accessible, because it's in the public interest. Since June, I have also been running my commentary by personal friends who are lawyers before making them public. (Similarly, yesterday, before claiming that iOS has good anti-fingerprinting measures, I spent an inordinate amount of time testing this with domain experts.)

If you have a quarrel with me, be honest about it. I do not cheat at this game. I have stood by my convictions, even back in 2014-2015 when all that meant was honoring alliances in diplomacy games even if they would cost me a win or get my country wiped off the map. I do not deceive others. I am entirely transparent about my motives, especially when working against others, and answer people honestly when they ask why I am doing something: I even told Anon Mod how I was deanonymizing him, while I was doing it; he wouldn't have noticed otherwise. Even here, I've made it quite clear since I decided to do this disproportionate data analysis on your cheating that my intention was simple: to make the issue public so it can't be buried, then wait for Fizzer to give you a slap on the wrist like always, and- given the public record of moderation on this site- make it more blatant to others what the priorities of this site's moderation are. My entire stance is that the easiest way to decouple Warzone from Fizzer is to simply shed light on Fizzer; my working theory is that Fizzer and Anonymous Moderator avoid transparency because greater public awareness of what they do with their positions of petty authority would be devastating for their support within the community.

Even now, I'm being honest to the point of writing a lengthy post that, at best, invites ridicule and accusation of selfishness and, at worst, will get quietly deleted or get me a suspension or ban for "disrespectful" criticism of Fizzer (although, to his credit, he has to date not done this).

Have I been at all secretive about anything? This whole time, I could have simply actually deceived others about my understanding of the world, remaining quiet or rehabilitating my image by pretending to back popular players (like Deadman, Beren, Farah, and others who have cheated in positions of power and yet have been forgiven so easily that even calling them "cheaters" comes at a social cost) or Fizzer's lawsuit instead of alienating myself from the community and becoming easy to brand as "toxic" or "criminal." I could be chilling in M'Hunters right now, making it a lot easier for me to get training in the game; instead, I chose to be candid and overly outspoken even when it burned bridges like that one. I have extreme moral and political views, including not believing in the concept of innate human worth, and instead of hiding all that I'm honest with people even about those. I would probably be a lot better off had I been the deceptive cheater you accuse me of being. If anything, I've learned that cheating and deception is forgiven incredibly easily by not just the staff and the community of this site, while the crimes I have committed in being true to my views have so far not earned much, if any, forgiveness.

Our commitment to our convictions is simply the price we are willing to pay to stand by them. Did I need to make this post? Do I gain anything from being this transparent?

I choose honesty and upfront-ness at any cost.

Edited 10/14/2021 20:19:04

You made a crime and you will be punished

cuz I am the punisher

and I'm coming for ya

Did anyone else LOL at this?

- in 2021, a permanent ban on one account for quoting the The Last Men Standing clan biography (which required an "above-rubbish skill level") and asking Bobby when he would kick all of his existing clan members

I think its a rather sad ending for an account.

Permbanned for quoting a clan bio...

for quoting a clan bio.

And for having a "long criminal record."

That was merely the stated reason for the ban. I do not believe it should be taken at face value.

The same person behind that ban sent me this message when I chastised TianO for being careless when alt-voting on the Seasonal Ladder and told him to git gud if he wanted to cheat, telling me to quit Warzone:


In light of this post, it's quite clear he was not being honest here about how seriously he takes cheating. If anything, I should have been the one asking him if he's okay with cheating, because his demonstrated behavior takes it far less seriously than mine. We similarly can't take the "long criminal record" statement at face value: there are many others with a similar history of "disrespectful language" (see: Nauzhror) or ToS violations (see: DanWL), and plenty with the same "record" of warnings and suspensions. But last I checked, it took two months' worth of reports to get Boston his latest short suspension, and for at least several weeks moderators were aware of the warnings but spent their time "explaining" why the system hadn't done anything about Boston. Meanwhile, the latest two suspensions for me required 0 reports, took <30min each from post to ban, and clearly had a different treatment than Boston. Similarly, Rick got a 2-day yesterday for calling someone st***d (stupid; Rick censored it himself for effect) and had a 3-day suspension (for "Nazi symbolism"- i.e., posting a swastika-shaped Dharmic temple with no relation to fascism) extended to 6 days when he appealed.

To suggest that Fizzer is being sincere with his stated reasons for warning, suspending, and banning people would be tantamount to accusing him of zero self-awareness or even stupidity. The more plausible and respectful alternative is to simply assume he's being insincere, in light of the actual operations of his system.

Edited 10/14/2021 16:33:14

@l4v.r0v - yes i mean you. a character who sends me a mail asking a rl question, which I am nice and naive enough to answer. While in reality it was merely some decoy to get more (meta)data about me/my accounts to help with your analysis of my "crime" as you immediately labeled it.

I also refer to your recent bragging about faking a mail from (then) clan leader darklord, claiming he would retire from WZI (a blatant lie) to "hundreds of darklord clan members", suggesting they should leave that clan and join another one (of yours, Prime).

"Transparent"? Straightforward? Oh no, Mr. Lavrov, you are nothing but a behind-the-scenes-schemer, a troublemaker, an evil "social engineer", a manipulator by nature, a bad apple! Secretively stalking everyone, lurking in the shade like a poisonous snake, digging thru mountains of data, only to find the splinter in the eye of your next, while you got an entire beam in your own. Maybe you're getting a hard-on when you can "publicly shame someone".

People like you really make me puke. If I were Fizzer I would definitely remove you and your dozens of alts permamently from the game. I really hope i never have to encounter you in real life.

Yes, I made a mistake and did not play by the rules. It was definitely unsportsmanlike behaviour. I regret it and apologize for it to all the honest and nice players here. But not to you tho, l4v.r0v. Bye Bye.

I made a mistake

Mr. Lavrov, you are nothing but a behind-the-scenes-schemer, a troublemaker, an evil "social engineer", a manipulator by nature, a bad apple! Secretively stalking everyone, lurking in the shade like a poisonous snake, digging thru mountains of data, only to find the splinter in the eye of your next, while you got an entire beam in your own

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusion_of_asymmetric_insight

"Transparent"? Straightforward? Oh no, Mr. Lavrov, you are nothing but a behind-the-scenes-schemer, a troublemaker, an evil "social engineer", a manipulator by nature, a bad apple! Secretively stalking everyone, lurking in the shade like a poisonous snake, digging thru mountains of data, only to find the splinter in the eye of your next, while you got an entire beam in your own. Maybe you're getting a hard-on when you can "publicly shame someone".

People like you really make me puke. If I were Fizzer I would definitely remove you and your dozens of alts permamently from the game. I really hope i never have to encounter you in real life.

This language is by far more disrespectful than what Rick and I have faced suspensions and permanent bans for. However, I can virtually guarantee that reporting it would result in an ignored report, not even a warning to add to your "criminal record." Another piece of evidence for the "rules aren't real" pile.

Anti-Fizzer is pro-Warlight. Pro-Warlight is anti-Fizzer. (I think I'm going to start signing my forum posts with that now, along the lines of "Carthago delenda est.")

Edited 10/14/2021 16:42:38

Big UH-OH... I don't mind chat raffle stealing because heck, our odds don't change that much anyway!
Can't join Idle battles yet so I'm glad you quit breaking the rules before I got there to play...
Nice job stopping, more good players on WZ!

I still think there should have been an actual punishment instead of just "social shaming". Why? It's because nonolet, you are a likable person, that much is obvious, as you've already noticed several have pretty much already forgiven you even though you cheated 192 times in total for raffling (while also being a person who has noted other people's "luck" (considering l4v.r0v's global analysis, even the luckiest people aren't too lucky) from time to time).

The sad part is, you knew what you were doing and yet chose to continue doing it, even though you made it clear you have a good moral compass (I can't think of the exact words you used, so feel free to correct me if you think I am badly misparaphrasing some words I believe that you have said) and have said things along the lines of "knowing a scumbag when you see one" and "I have my own list for people I dislike". I will state once more, those may not have been the exact words you have used, but it is close to the ballpark right? Feel free to correct me if I somehow misremembered, but I'm pretty certain of this.

Another something to note, you were asked several times by different players if #Uno was your alt, yet you chose to pretty much ignore the topic on it on all occasions! What's worse is you kept raffling on both accounts anyway! Anyway, I'm a person who dislikes doing any confrontation about things like this because I generally like to be on likeable terms with everyone I talk with, but this was honestly just blatant disrespect and behavior that is extremely disappointing. I feel like it would have been more tasteful with an actual punishment instead of "hey, we'll just warn you". What if several other people who aren't as blatant as you start raffling with alts? It's basically impossible to tell, especially if they opt for the easy approach of simply not responding! The odds are that even if they get caught, they will also get a slap on the wrist, and if they don't, then they can refer back to this right here attempting to appeal the injustice brought upon them in comparison to how nonolet received better treatment.

My conclusion? Personally, I think this is a botched job for just having a warning, I think it would be much easier to forgive nonolet if their idle progress was fully reset and the coins they won in overdose on #Uno at the very least be removed from nonolet's main account, along with a permaban on the alt account and a warning stating to nonolet's main that if any type of cheating occurred again that it would be met with a permanent suspension on all accounts they used and will use.

okks, pls tell me more what's going on here? xD


knyte joined the dark side?


knyte the sith

knyte the drug kingpin mastermind




....why is anti-fizzer pro warlight? rofl


even in 2021 kyte doesn't cease to amaze us..... I'm impress..... this is exactly the kind content I was waiting for :P

Edited 10/14/2021 16:50:27

nono cheats

knyte tricks nono

nono gets caught and punished

knyte commits genocide

nono gets punished but knyte doesn't

Nice job stopping, more good players on WZ!

He did not stop of his own volition. Even yesterday, when made aware that others had connected #Uno/unoturbo/JennyA to him, he continued to join raffles with that account with the knowledge it was wrong, against the rules, and in the process of being handled by the report system.

Only after the "public shaming" and a warning from moderation did he stop. Now he attempts to write it off as a mere "mistake" to rehabilitate his image, taking pot-shots at others in the process and reshaping the narrative into an attack against me. I am amazed y'all are so okay with this.

If he wants to restitute those who lost coins to his double-raffling, I have kept a tally at https://bit.ly/nonolet-victims that has a list of the remaining unrestituted victims and the cost of restitution (coin game creation cost). At this moment, 150 coins' worth of restitution has been carried out. An additional 730 coins would be require to restitute the players who have already received partial restitution (for expected coin losses but not expected artifact/power losses) and a further 515 would be needed to restitute the players who I did not attempt to restitute.

If nonolet would like to make people whole, he has a list of their usernames and the exact amounts for which he needs to make coin games.

Also I shall be happy to accomodate any (reasonable) claims you want to make for (potentially) lost coins in raffles. Just send me a mail and we'll set up a lotto game to compensate you. Irrespective of whether or not you already got some coins from "Mr. righteous avenger". ;-)

This is not going to actually result in anything. If he actually wants to accommodate lost coins, he's got the list of names and amounts. If, on the other hand, he simply wants to quickly rehabilitate his image, only offering restitution on-request is far, far cheaper.

EDIT: oh, I almost forgot the signature thing-

Anti-Fizzer is pro-Warlight. Pro-Warlight is anti-Fizzer.

Edited 10/14/2021 16:55:50

Should we punish inxs or show mercy?

WARZONE EXECUTION SQUAD

Should we punish inxs or show mercy?

We don't have the authority to punish nonolet. This is Warzone staff's prerogative, and they've made it clear exactly how seriously they take cheating and alt abuse even when it amounts to coin losses. Bobby had coins taken away for labeling lottery games "lotto"; nonolet still gets to keep illicit winnings far greater in magnitude.

Anti-Fizzer is pro-Warlight. Pro-Warlight is anti-Fizzer.

@l4v.r0v

We don't have the authority to punish nonolet

and yet you did. You took the matter into your own hands and published it for everyone to see, instead of sending all the materials to Fizzer for him to decide.

Now it became a witch-hunt. Was that your intention?

See what Warzone Idle can do?
They should ban that staff.

instead of sending all the materials to Fizzer

The report had already been filed and up to that point was on the verge of being ignored, per insider sources.

I thoroughly verified nonolet and JennyA were the same person before making any allegations and made my information as public as possible so others could check it for themselves instead of simply trusting me (unlike official channels, which are able to use this lack of transparency to get away with lying). Unfortunately, on a site where cheating is not taken seriously and often buried under the radar, the "proper" channels provide no recourse. Who here knows about rocky1 and BusDriver? He joined the Seasonal from two accounts for two seasons. After weeks of having reports ignored, public pressure finally resulted in a warning and a slap on the wrist. rocky1 is still on the ladder, allowed to finish his tainted season: https://www.warzone.com/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=28963

The last time I called attention to this, my post was quietly deleted without explanation.

for him to decide

It's the community's prerogative to know about these things, even when moderation gives slaps on the wrist and buries the information. Today, the community is in a sorry state where cheating is unpunished, forgiven, often even rewarded. There is no path out of this if we choose to remain quiet when we have damning evidence. The "public shaming" was the only thing that stopped nonolet. Even after the "public shaming," moderation let nonolet off with a slap on the wrist. He came out ahead from cheating, getting to keep all his coins. His 140+ victims gained no restitution except through me.

When the proper system fails, the community needs to fix its problems itself. We saw this before, when the "official" channels for Clan League cheating chose to ignore sock-puppeting in Season 8. The very next season, the people running Clan League- Deadman, Beren, Farah- themselves sock-puppetted in Clan League. Today, almost no one even remembers this and, except for Deadman (who voluntarily left the community), they have risen back up to take charge of the community, in charge of enforcing the rules they break and themselves get to skirt repeatedly (see: DanWL). I do not see this as a tenable system for a site that purports to have a fair, skill-based set of competitions. It's my prerogative- and yours- to at least be open about this reality of ours, for the community we have a stake in.

Now it became a witch-hunt

Are you sure about this? From what I can see, I am getting more flak for making this cheating public than nonolet is getting for cheating.

Anti-Fizzer is pro-Warlight. Pro-Warlight is anti-Fizzer.

Edited 10/14/2021 17:17:48