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Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 16:55:15


Tac(ky)tical
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Edited 9/16/2021 00:28:15
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 16:57:35

Crazy@+_癫神
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I like it :D Most Masters actually want solid games rather than easy wins.
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:17:22


krinid 
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+1 Tacky

@Crazy
To be clear, you're saying you prefer it this way despite knowing that others are disadvantaged in order to give you those 'solid games'?

Edited 9/15/2021 19:45:20
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:18:06


Balthromaw
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While True:
	if playersLeft()==False:
		break
	thisClan=getClanWithTheMostFreeParticipants()
	if randint()%2 == 1:
		if checkIfClanWithBiggerRatingHasFreeParticipant(thisClan) ==True:
			pair(thisClan, clanWithClosestBiggerRating(thisClan) #pairs 2 random participants from these clans
		else:
			if checkIfClanWithLowerRatingHasFreeParticipant(thisClan) ==True:
				pair(thisClan, clanWithClosestLowerRating(thisClan) #pairs 2 random participants from these clans
			else:
				giveFreeWin(thisClan)
				break
	else:
		if checkIfClanWithLowerRatingHasFreeParticipant(thisClan) ==True:
			pair(thisClan, clanWithClosestLowerRating(thisClan) #pairs 2 random participants from these clans
		else:
			if checkIfClanWithBiggerRatingHasFreeParticipant(thisClan) ==True:
				pair(thisClan, clanWithClosestBiggerRating(thisClan) #pairs 2 random participants from these clans
			else:
				giveFreeWin(thisClan)
				break		


Time complexity: O(n^2)

Edited 9/15/2021 17:24:06
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:19:39


alexclusive 
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+1 Tacky
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:22:55

Stales78 
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Yes. The matchmaking system is trash.
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:25:25


Quicksilver 
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our Lord fizzer, hear our prayer
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:27:53


Rick Sanchez 
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I hope fizzer does something
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:41:35


καλλιστηι
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Helping new clans with Clan Wars? Fizzer does it all the time! Take a look at Harmony for example; TSFH was disbanded and Fizzer allowed players from TSFH to play for Harmony the same season. He even transferred their clan rating, so they could be matched with relevant opponents. He will surely listen to you too.

Edited 9/15/2021 17:43:49
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:43:20


l4v.r0v 
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+1
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:45:34


krinid 
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For anyone that doesn't know ... καλλιστηι is being facetious. None of that happened. Anyone that played in TSFH could not play for the remainder of S5 in any clan, Harmony included. No ratings were transferred. Had to rebuild the clan spirit (TSFHell) entirely in a new clan home (TSFHarmony).

- - - - -

Just saw Jacob's post below. I'll just tack on an LMAO here instead of reposting.

Yes you're probably right. He did comment that it could take 10+ months to stabilize and become truly competitive. So ... yea, season 9.

Edited 9/15/2021 18:01:28
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 17:57:17


Jacob the Restless 
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i have a feeling this will fall into the category of "lets see how it plays out"

so dont worry yolo members, you will get plenty of games in season 9~
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 18:06:31

Zealoustowski
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I was going to write a more "charitable" post about how the current matchmaking algorithm was only designed to work with more "organic" clan growth. But now that I think about it, those concerns are completely irrelevant.

How is a low ranked clan supposed to improve if they can't get games? Ours is an extreme case, but it highlights a problem that would befall any low ranked clan with more than ~5 players not willing to jump ship.

Honest question: What would be the drawbacks of a matchmaking system that prioritized maximizing games, then pairing people with comparable skill levels?
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 18:09:00


Loxiiv 
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Krinid should save your rating dw
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 18:13:38


krinid 
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Does being a jerk come naturally Lox or have you practiced it extensively?
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 18:25:14


Norman 
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Honest question: What would be the drawbacks of a matchmaking system that prioritized maximizing games, then pairing people with comparable skill levels?

Those two aren't mutually exclusive. Balthromaws algorithm looks pretty good to me and I also like the part with randomly chosing whether to look for a stronger or for a weaker clan. The algorithm should be sufficient so that at max 1 player does not get a game, it pairs equally rated players and it neither gives an inherent advantage nor disadvantage for big stack clans.

The algorithm is a bit weaker in pairing equally ranked clans than the current one. Let's say we have the players A > B > C > D in terms of clan skill. The algorithm from Balthromaw can then pair B with C and then it needs to pair A with D.

Edited 9/15/2021 18:30:13
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 19:02:19


Derfellios 
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I think it is even possible to get very good algorithms with a O(n) complexity. With some proper administration, Balthromaws algorithm would have a time complexity of O(n).

The algorithm is a lot better than that we have now, but there still some problems. For example, let clan A and C have 2 players and B and D both 1. If they have the ratings:

A - 400
B - 250
C - 200
D - 100

Then a possibility is that we get the match-ups A&C, A&D, B&C while A&B, A&C, C&D would be optimal (That is, eveyrone gets a game, and the max rating difference is minimized.

I would propose the following algorithm:
Initial pairings are according to the current algorithm. For every two unmatched players, unmatch the lowest rated match without players from the clan of the two players. Then pair player from each of these unmatched matches with a player that initially had no match. This is also O(n), but is slightly easier to get in this complexity.

An exact approach would be to use a variant of the Hungarian algorithm, but that has O(n^3) complexity and is likely a little overkill for this situation.
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 19:44:11


Bill Green
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+1 Tac(ky)tical
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 19:56:58


forksandwich 
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+1
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:25:48

Stales78 
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Another dumpster fire of a matchmaking effort just now. 8 teams were queued for strategic 2v2: 4 of them were yolo. We got no matches…just a free win. Boring.
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:28:44


Ercole 
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The main problem with your clan is that it has a negative rating (the output shows 0 but you are below) because of the bad performance in the previous seasons, that's not surely Fizzer's fault.
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:32:43


Tac(ky)tical
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denying ppl the right to participate is completely flawed in any sense. what kind of competition is it when one clan starts out superior than other off the bat? we have had close to 50 voided games. ON THE FIRST DAY. that will lead to hundreds if not thousands of voided games. if this doesnt show a problem to you, idk what will.
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:44:52


Ercole 
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I'm just saying that if you started from 0 that problem would not have been as huge as it is now probably...
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:46:37


Ercole 
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You had more or less -100 clan wars rating I think, now you are at -20, in few days your problem should be solved I hope.

Edit:
They say that it used to be -45, so maybe you're growing a bit slower that I thought, sorry about that.

Edited 9/15/2021 21:33:52
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:46:44


Motoki 
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The quickest way to solve this is to add more time slots or more templates per each time slot. The problem with that is it also just gives more free wins. Right now you will just have to keep playing and eventually you’re rating will rise and match against better opponents. That also sucks because that means only 10-15 players can get to play clan wars for now until yolo’s rating rises. But yes the matchmaking sucks and should be fixed.
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:47:33


Tac(ky)tical
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i dont think you understand how the matchmaking works, but it would be nice if we had started at 0, cos we'd almost be at 30 rating now. LOL. (not that much difference, but it means we'll get to higher mark slightly quicker. we would still not get matches the same. the fact that there are so many voided games, is a problem. there'd be the same amount of voids if we were at 0. you can ask many other clans such as TLA, they had the same issue)
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:54:01


Ercole 
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Right now even a new clan that enters clan wars for the first time has priority on you and your rating can't change a lot if you only have 1-2 games every timeslot, thing that can happen more quickly even if the games were only 3-4 instead.
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:55:56


Ercole 
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Yeah, rn matchmaking isn't very good but you made it quite worse starting with a clan that had such poor performance in the past..
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 20:56:34


Tac(ky)tical
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okay tell me what new clan joined and is preventing us from games? even at 0 rating we would get same amount of games. we onyl get 1 point per free win. that means we need 100 free wins to get to even 100 rating, which is pretty low-tier...
Matchmaking: 9/15/2021 21:05:02


Ercole 
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No new clan but a bit of old ones with "0" as rating have joined timeslots today and I think they had priority over you.

Edited 9/15/2021 21:34:46
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