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Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 16:32:36


Kratt 
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#drama
#rigged

Look at these timeslots, can you see what's off about it?

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=919
https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=920
https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=921
https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=925

Now I didn't bother to go further back in time and I didn't include timeslots where it wasn't obvious.
But just look what top 2 clans in CW are up to.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 16:35:42


Rick Sanchez 
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What a bunch of losers

Edited 8/15/2021 07:10:25
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 16:37:23

functor
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I can see that MH likes to play SE, while Masters wants to avoid SE. Am I missing anything?
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 16:39:15


Kratt 
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I can see that MH likes to play SE, while Masters wants to avoid SE. Am I missing anything?

A good theory, now look at the first link.

EDIT:
Also, check this slot:
https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=915

Edited 8/11/2021 16:40:50
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 16:40:09


Z 
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Let's not forget how Masters likes to camp on 2v2 and MH likes to camp on SECB. Masters gets a lot of Free Wins like that.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 16:51:46


OrangeWars 
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Scoundrels!!!
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 16:51:51


riskboy88 
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they are purposefully avoiding each other?
I'm sure this isnt pre-arranged, it would be hard to manage something of this scale without someone blabbing it
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 16:53:05


Z 
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they are purposefully avoiding each other?
I'm sure this isnt pre-arranged, it would be hard to manage something of this scale without someone blabbing it


Yes, I am sure it is a coincidence, and not a "don't mention this in GC" thing.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:06:42


Kratt 
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https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=915

That slot speaks volumes, you have 2 very unpopular templates and the top 2 clans avoiding each other perfectly.
Now while on it's own it may look like a coincidence, with everything else added it speaks volumes about what's going on.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:07:32


riskboy88 
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possibly but the scale that this is being played on is insane. someone would blab, given how long its been going on
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:08:41


Z 
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Why would anyone blab though? More likely that they wouldn't blab than have a coincidence of this scale?

(My last post was obviously sarcasm.)
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:13:39


riskboy88 
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maybe.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:14:16


Master Turtle 
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Collusion is frowned upon but not illegal... relax yall
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:14:37


master of desaster 
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Lol we just joined the template we prefer every time. Strat mme > mme ld ma > se autodist > se picks > mme commanders = se bomb

Edit: if anything, you should question MHs taste in templates

Edited 8/11/2021 17:19:03
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:19:54


Kratt 
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Lol we just joined the template we prefer every time. Strat mme > mme ld ma > se autodist > se picks > mme commanders = se bomb

Good cover, where do s2v2, Fb and Guiroma fit into this?

Also are you seriously suggesting MH has the exact opposite preference in their templates?
Get out of here!
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:43:06


Widzisz • apex 
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That was actually fun read, I give 8/10 :D
Keep it up!
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:44:30


krinid 
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And yet in another forum thread, Masters raises the issue that they don't get matched vs. MH enough and recommended a rank & matching algorithm change to incite MvMH matches. With this perfect mesh of never meeting by choosing different templates, even with a changed algorithm, they still wouldn't get matched up. Was that thread just to throw people off the trail?

These results would indicate that all Masters members like the same templates in the same order and consistently pick them, and this perfectly inversely aligns with the preferences of MH.

So if Masters consistently prefers "Strat mme > mme ld ma > se autodist > se picks > mme commanders = se bomb", does MH just happen to prefer these in the reverse order?

Or is the claim that the set of pasted links were freak events and not representative of the overall matches? This technically isn't a rule break, so no reason to hide it if there are agreements in place.

Edited 8/11/2021 17:46:47
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:46:02


OrangeWars 
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Scoundrels!!!
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:51:53


Kratt 
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MH actually benefits greatly from this "deal".

The system is designed so that all clans that actively participate (except the very best and the very worst) have around 50% winrate.
That's why they use clan war rating to match clans.

MH has a 56% winrate, which comes mostly from not playing Masters. It should be around 50%.
I'm not even going to bother to calculate Masters winrate. It's out of this world and besides the point, they're the best clan actively participating and aren't meant to hover around 50% winrate.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:53:00


Kratt 
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And yet in another forum thread, Masters raises the issue that they don't get matched vs. MH enough and recommended a rank & matching algorithm change to incite MvMH matches. With this perfect mesh of never meeting by choosing different templates, even with a changed algorithm, they still wouldn't get matched up. Was that thread just to throw people off the trail?

Lmao, a classic!
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 17:54:35


l4v.r0v 
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I don't think MASTER clan is colluding. If you have any access to M'H-internal chats, you'll notice that Norman and others strategize a lot (in terms of timing, template selection) to maximize bang-for-buck in M'H participation in Clan Wars.

My bet is that M'H is targeting templates on which they can expect higher win rates (not sure if they're even intentionally avoiding MASTERs), while MASTER clan is targeting templates that do not give people cancer. And so they become ships passing each other in the night, without direct clash.

edit: mixed up CL/CW

Edited 8/11/2021 17:58:12
- downvoted post by Pulsey
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 18:11:24


Kratt 
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It looks like MH is actively avoiding Masters, while Masters is actively avoiding Python.
Stay tuned for more!
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 18:47:02


Norman 
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I don't think MASTER clan is colluding. If you have any access to M'H-internal chats, you'll notice that Norman and others strategize a lot (in terms of timing, template selection) to maximize bang-for-buck in M'H participation in Clan Wars.

Oi!

I'm the inventor of the M'Hunters bomb meta. Normally people play a template and each new strategy gets gradually better but I scratched my head and thought that the old ways of playing the bomb was inferior to something completely different. I'm pretty proud about that. It took hours of work to establish the meta and some of my clanmates, whom I have initially trained, have built upon it and are probably better than me now. I also made a written guide and a video guide for my clanmates where I explained the thought process. We activelly discuss bomb games on our Discord and are thinking together how to solve certain tough cases. For us each bomb template is a puzzle which we try to solve.

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=919
The only thing you can see here is that we had 4 opponents in the bomb so we couldn't join with more. :(

https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=920
No bomb :( Scandal!

...

Now I didn't bother to go further back in time and I didn't include timeslots where it wasn't obvious.

So in other words, you excluded timeslots which did not support your thesis?

Edited 8/11/2021 18:52:42
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 18:53:07


Kratt 
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Are you seriously suggesting that out of the 900+ slots only the last 5 or so support my thesis?
Now that IS funny.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 18:58:35


καλλιστηι
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It is a simple algorytm. You start with a (random) chain of how much you like the given template. If you win a lot on the template, it goes up in your chain. If you lose a lot, it goes down. Start with two good clans and two bad clans. What happens is, those good clans will evade each other and bad clans will play the same templates.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 18:58:54


Norman 
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Are you seriously suggesting that out of the 900+ slots only the last 5 or so support my thesis?
Now that IS funny.


You said that you left out timeslots "where it wasn't obvious." You pasted the last timeslot 925 which somehow supported your thesis but conveniently left out the timeslot right before that https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=924 where it looks like M'Hunters was actively targeting a 100% playing rate against either Masters or Python.


However truth be told, some of my clanmates were moving into 2v2 explicitely to face the Master clan since they didn't like seeing the Master clan farming free wins against either no opponents at all or a close to 100% winrate against TSFH...

Edited 8/11/2021 19:00:26
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 19:00:46


καλλιστηι
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So yeah, they aren't cheating, it came up naturally.
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 19:01:14

Riptide
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Yes, I had a personal experience when Masters fought The Boiz Army in 2v2 together. (My teammate ended up cussing me out that game and I left the clan and put him on my block list)

Edited 8/11/2021 19:02:03
Collusion in CW?: 8/11/2021 19:05:27


Kratt 
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You said that you left out timeslots "where it wasn't obvious." You pasted the last timeslot 925 which somehow supported your thesis but conveniently left out the timeslot right before that https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=924 where it looks like M'Hunters was actively targeting a 100% playing rate against either Masters and Python.

That's a terrible example, it's SE vs MA, those two templates are not equal by any means.
I see also you picked ONE slot which kinda may support your theory.

However truth be told, some of my clanmates were moving into 2v2 since they didn't like seeing the Master clan farming free wins against either no opponents at all or a close to 100% winrate against TSFH...

Did they?
https://www.warzone.com/Clans/War?ID=5&Timeslot=921
Don't see it.
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