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Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/4/2021 15:04:08


Roi Joleil
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Who is tj?
can i also challenge him?
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/4/2021 15:26:51


Ercole
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Sure, I can afford 6 extra games. If that's really necessary


You should believe more in yourself, if you get lucky maybe you're going to win one game :D
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/4/2021 15:29:47


Beep Beep I'm A Jeep 
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humbleness has always been my biggest weakness :)
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/4/2021 16:43:03


Beren Erchamion 
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The winner of the seasonal (so probably Hergul) should get first crack if they want it.
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/4/2021 17:44:19


l4v.r0v 
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We can just open the thread up to new challengers once the current match is about to end. Anyone want to be on this committee? If not, I'll just lay out criteria in advance for who gets dibs (probably Seasonal performance, QM ranking, SE P/R performance, and general skill based on MTL ranking and accomplishments - we just always pick the player most likely to beat the current champaion) and then we can take applications for the next Small Earth Series.
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/10/2021 17:58:21


l4v.r0v 
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Series is back! Created Game 3 - https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=27280891

I think both Nauz and sanmu are ready:
Sanmu on 06/03 (https://www.warzone.com/Forum/551071?Offset=55)


Nauz on 06/10 (https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=27279825)


Edited 6/10/2021 18:11:42
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/10/2021 18:13:15

Orannis
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Bet he would care if he had a chance of winning lol
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/10/2021 18:17:43


l4v.r0v 
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The 2016 GSW-CLE series had the Warriors start 2-0. In game 2, the Warriors' bench players (their second rotation, for those not familiar with basketball) soundly crushed the Cleveland Cavaliers- LeBron, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and the rest- by double digits.

Cleveland came back to win the series 4-3, in the process beating the best-performing regular season NBA team of all time, with 73 wins and 9 losses.

Don't sleep on Nauz this early.
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/10/2021 18:18:28


SANMU
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Joined game 3.

Edited 6/10/2021 18:24:19
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 03:09:23


sanmu the shamu
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Update: Nauz declined game 3. Kinda curious how this fits into his assertion that I'm the one who didn't want to continue the series...but no one ever accused Nauz of being logical.

Edited 6/11/2021 03:14:10
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 04:20:56


l4v.r0v 
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I'll consider Nauz's decline a forfeit unless a match is started within 5 days from today. If at 10pm PT on 2021/06/15, we have not heard from Nauz about extenuating circumstances or some explanation for the decline that's consistent with wanting to continue the series, sanmu will win by default 2-0.
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 11:00:58


Johnny Silverhand 
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There's no 'unless'. I said in the chat before declining that I had no interest in playing any of the remaining games.

Sanmu can claim he won 6-0 for all I care. I don't enjoy playing SE, and I'm not wasting my time playing games I don't find enjoyable with the little free time I have available. Sanmu winning 6-0 or 6-3 or whatever says literally nothing when the only games played are SE.

The only interest I ever had in a challenge vs Sanmu was one where half the games were SE, since then it at least measured the relative skillcap between SE and whatever the other games were. All the games being SE is meaningless, as it doesn't in any way compare SE to other templates, it's like having a amateur basketball player play a basketball game vs an amateur football player, it's silly, and frankly pointless. It doesn't make basketball be the harder sport or the basketball player the better athlete if/when the basketball player wins unless they also play football and that player wins at both sports, or wins handily at their own sport and nearly wins in the opposing sport.
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 13:49:16

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Then why’d you join it in the first place?
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 13:50:10


Arrow838™ 
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Lol Nauz.... If SE doesnt require any skills, then why did you always lose to sanmu 2-0
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 14:26:07


krinid 
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Hmmm, this new SE challenge format isn't going so well ... 2 series started, 0 series finished! lol

Is anyone willing to see an entire series through? Do we have a next qualified challenger that actually wants to do this as opposed to settling a dispute or argument of some kind, and will commit to a full series?
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 14:27:53


Arrow838™ 
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Lol Nauz is too scared to face samnu as he knows that he will lose....

Proof: https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=27280891 He declined 3rd game for people who didnt read earlier replies...
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 14:42:35


krinid 
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Lol Nauz.... If SE doesnt require any skills, then why did you always lose to sanmu 2-0


To be fair, ignore some of the things Nauz actually wrote, read through to the principle of what he was actually arguing, and the crux of Johnny's argument was not that SE is 0 skill, but that it's easier to master and thus requires less skill than other templates, MME for example, and thus there are more masters and thus when the template is saturated with masters, it's essentially a luck based template b/c everyone is playing at the same level. Secondary argument that I think we will likely hereby declare as being denounced, is that skilled MME players would likely be around the same level as the SE masters.

So the point of of the challenge series was 2 fold.

(1) To see if it would be 6-5 (essentially means it is after all luck based, approx 50/50 - doesn't matter who actually wins, it's fairly even between a specialist and a non-specialist), 6-3 Shamu wins (some skill), 6-0 (hardcore skillz). And of course 6-3 Nauz wins, well then this indicates that MME skills prevail over SE skills.

(2) And then to do an MME series and measure the same. We expect Nauz to win, but is it 6-5, 6-3 or 6-0?

And if the series results are SE 6-0 Shamu, MME 6-0 Nauz, then we see that they are different skill sets. If it's SE 6-5 whoever, MME 6-0 Nauz, then we see MME skills actually outweigh for the most part SE skills.

But the more important factor is that we need to do this with more than just 2 players. Let's say Nauz destroyed Shamu in every game on both templates - all this means is he's better than Shamu, not necessarily that SE is in fact 0 skill. Thank you, Next player, repeat please ... until we have revealed a pattern.
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 15:39:31

Orannis
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read the game chat lol
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 17:16:31


Farah♦ 
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I can boot myself into a 6-0 win for sanmu if that works for anyone
Small Earth Series: Nauzhror vs. sanmu the shamu: 6/11/2021 17:25:04


Jacoþ thε Restle§°ⁿ³ 
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It’s just small earth. Y’all could play 4 more games in an hour real time
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