Yeah but fuck em anyway they have too many ads

In the event of the worst, how's "WarMap" sound? It gives you a better idea of what the game is about than any of the other options.

Best of luck Fizzer! Get 'Nathan for You' to sort it out with a technicality if common sense doesn't prevail :)

Edited 4/27/2021 10:00:08

@aerial Assault, do you remember the thread where fizzer announced the name change and asked the community to make a logo? oh that was (and still is) a very entertaining read.

@hankypinky can u link that forum. i would like to read it

Activision is sus

@zealous... I like the name warmap, but changing is not so simple. that would require the logo to be (at least slightly) changed, the apps to be majorly changed to show warmap instead of warzone everywhere, is warmap.com available?, are there other games named warmap?, and probably countless other things I don't know about. plus, fizzers business name is warzone LLC, so there's tax information, city and state ordinances to deal with, the list goes on. he has spent a shit ton of time setting everything up under the name warzone, and changing the name is not a small thing to undertake.

especially when the law supports him

@unfair and anyone else who wants a good read and some insight into what the change from warlight to warzone was like

https://www.warzone.com/Forum/72830-logo-design-contest?Offset=200

"First off, to those citing that "Googling Warzone doesn't find us" -- trust me, it will. I expect that, eventually, Googling for Warzone will return us as the top link and also be filled with links about us across the first page. If this doesn't happen for some reason, we'd definitely fix it." -Fizzer, 2015

Yeah, that didn't go quite as planned. :(

I tried spreading the word by speaking to some large-ish tech and games websites and uploading it to their news queues. Unfortunately, every single one of them refused the story and ended up not posting anything about it, even though in the past week several of them had a few news stories about the activision warzone game. I figured it was quite related to that. I guess they have their reasons for not being interested.

thx hanky

@seleukos
fizzer had achieved the top result before Activision took it (and basically the rest of the page) for themselves.
"we'd definitely fix it" is what he's doing right now by fighting them. he has the law and us on his side, Activision has money and more money on their side.

@tetsuo
it almost seems like they're getting paid to not depict Activision in a negative light.

@HankyPinky I do not remember that. I don't read the forums too often but this piqued my interest. I see you linked it - I think that's it. Thanks. What did you find entertaining about it?

Activision just wants to intimidate small fish and claim this domain name for free, or even steal some money from Randy. It's as simple as that. Technically Fizzer could settle this in his favor by agreeing to sell the domain for a fortune to them and then change the name either back to Warlight. as I, and a lot of other players still call it, or find another name.

I guess fighting for the - let's face it - right thing, which is "get off my lawn" and keeping Fizzer's game intact. regardless of how difficult or not the case is - may be econommically unreasonable, and may sink not only this game but the man himself.. :/

Oh no

U.S. civil and procedural law

The US civil process differs fundamentally from civil law proceedings in continental European legal systems.

Additional information:
American civil justice

The American judicial system is two-tiered, that is, there are courts at the federal level ("Federal Courts"), namely in three instances, namely

the United States District Courts
the United States Courts of Appeal
the United States Supreme Court



There are also the courts of the individual states ("State Courts"), which also have three instances. In California, for example, they are

the Superior Courts of California
the California Courts of Appeal
the California Supreme Court

The competences of the Federal Courts and the State Courts partly overlap, partly they are mutually exclusive (see below). There is no obligation to represent a lawyer in American proceedings - unlike in proceedings before the regional courts in Germany.

American civil procedural law is not pure case law based solely on precedent judgments, but is codified to a certain extent, both at the national level through the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (USC Title 28), as well as at the state level through state civil procedure codes, such as the California Code of Civil Procedure.

According to these procedural rules, the role of the court is different from that of a court in German civil proceedings. Thus, the judge has a role that guides the proceedings rather than deciding the proceedings. Only legal questions are decided by the judge, the determination of the facts relevant to the decision is in most cases left to a jury (so-called “finder of facts”). Procedural declarations or decisions (such as the application or briefs accompanying the process) are always served within the party and not ex officio.

The requirements for the content of an application are far less strict than in Germany. As a rule, a general designation of the basis of the claim without a detailed explanation of the facts is sufficient (so-called “notice pleading” or “code pleading”) without the claim being rejected as unsubstantiated. A quantified complaint is usually not required. The background to this is that after a lawsuit has been filed, a fact-finding process (“discovery”) is carried out in which the parties are given the opportunity to collect information on the facts relevant to the decision.

A major difference to German civil proceedings is that, regardless of the outcome of the proceedings, each party usually bears its own legal fees. A claim for reimbursement of costs by the opponent usually does not exist or only to a limited extent even in the event of victory.

There is no fee schedule for lawyers comparable to the German Lawyers' Remuneration Act (RVG). Rather, in contractual matters, an hourly fee is usually agreed, with hourly rates between USD 200.00 and USD 500.00 (sometimes even more) to be expected. In criminal cases, such as accident cases or class actions, contingency fees are also common, ranging from 30 - 40% of the amount to be fought.

The actual court costs are independent of the amount in dispute and are a flat rate per claim. In the United States Court for the Northern District of California in Francisco, for example, the fee for filing a lawsuit is currently USD 400.00 (as of 09/2015).

For those who have some experience but have no idea what they are doing across the Atlantic.

can we get an update fizzer

I don't know what it's like compared to other countries, but the courts here seem to move very slowly. Especially if one side is very well funded and does everything in its power to drag it out. That seems like the obvious legal strategy for Activision, to just file every possible motion to delay as much as possible, which would drain Fizzers bank account and force him to settle or give up or something. I believe we (as Americans) only have the right to a speedy trial in criminal proceedings, while this is a civil case.

And when I say slowly, I mean the first thing to happen (even without one side delaying) is usually months after the initial filing.

It's rather ironic. The name change was almost universally hated by the old warlighters. But Fizzer insisted anyway. No one in the community thought the name needed changing. The thread where it was announced was pretty damning evidence of why it was a bad idea. Someone might have even mentioned that the name was already used before but my memory of it is hazy.

I remember the old cards, too. They were clean looking and abstract, they matched the game well. Now they are faced with completely pointless and stupid cartoons. The game is "fought" with just numbers anyway not tanks or even soldiers. It makes no sense. There was ZERO reason to change them as well, but Fizzer insisted anyway. It seems that Fizzer wanted some cheesy game marketed towards toddlers. Just look at the logo, it doesn't actually match the game at all.

Now he is being sued for a decision that should have never happened in the first place. Good Riddance.

I stopped playing like 6 years ago. Warlight was greatest back before coins and levels and points. No idea why I'm even here, I got bored and remembered the nostalgia and spent like an hour trying to find my old account (I still thought I was Brown Nose the Pirate) and it took me several levels of "forgot password" just to get here again.

(Although, I will admit Fizzer would be completely redeemed in my mind if he released an "Old School Warlight" a la Old School Runescape, that ran an old version of the game but perhaps with the better AIs)

Edited 5/2/2021 02:23:17

@ADDERALL XR

If small design changes like this is enough to write comments like these, we're all better off without you. Hope you stay away for another 6 years.

Edited 5/2/2021 23:48:17