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Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 13:29:40


rakleader 
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Over the past few months, my client Phobos ( https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=62105717541 ) has shown a steady improvement in his skill as a strategic player, culminating with a 1v1 Ladder trophy he obtained on September 6th. That trophy is a well-deserved reward for a player who has not only strived for excellence but has also given back to the community, by publishing a 1v1 Ladder picking guide on the forums for example.

However, while most of us congratulated Phobos on this achievement, some let their jealousy get the better of them and ridiculed him.
A few hours after the trophy was awarded, Nauzhror ( https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=6516195490 ) had a public meltdown on Discord, where he claimed that my client gained the trophy because he « tried a lot harder than his opponents », opponents who would « stomp » and « maul » him if they played seriously.
He has since repeatedly insinuated that not only my client’s trophy is worthless but that he’s also personally a better player than my client.

Now, my client and I understand where all this jealousy is coming from. We cannot help but feel sympathetic towards a player who has relentlessly tried to gain the 1v1 ladder trophy on multiple accounts for the past 8 years, only to fail miserably on every run.As a sign of encouragement, my client has already offered to give Nauzhror some ladder tips to help him progress.

Still, we may feel sympathy for Nauzhror but we cannot let him spread his defamatory comments any further.
The honour of my client is one thing, but more importantly, the future of Warzone is at stake!
What about all the new players who will read Nauzhror’s comments? They might believe him to be the better player and follow his lead instead of my client’s. And next thing you know, you’ll have an entire generation of Warzoners stuck in endless ladder runs and going trophyless for years.
As a trophy holder and a leader of the strategic community, my client cannot let this scenario happen.


In order to put an end to this matter, my client Phobos has chosen to challenge Nauzhror so they can to determine once and for all who is the best Warzone player between the two.
He suggests a simple best of eleven : 11 multi-day games on Strat MME and the first player to win six games wins the challenge.



I’ve alerted my client that Nauzhror is good at running away and that I worry he might use the format of the challenge as an excuse to decline it. As a result, Phobos has allowed me to negotiate eventual changes on his behalf :
-> we can consider playing less games if Nauzhror doesn’t have enough time.
-> we can consider adding more games or including Multi-Day Ladder templates if Nauzhror feels like 11 games on Strat MME are not enough to be representative of his skill.
-> we can consider RT games if Nauzhror worries he’s going to boot on MD games.

My client is confident that whatever the chosen format he is, he will triumph easily.

Now that the gauntlet has been thrown, we are waiting for Nauzhror to pick it.
We are asking him to contact me directly – or through an agent of his choice – so we can discuss the format of the challenge and start the games as soon as possible.

Meanwhile, everyone else is welcome to join this thread and congratulate my client on his trophy, or make their predictions on the upcoming challenge.


If that challenge is somehow ignored or declined, my client would respectfully ask the coward known as Nauzhror to stop acting up in public and to fail his sad biannual ladder runs in silence from now on.


Best regards,

Phobos’s official agent, Rakleader.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 13:39:50


joeydavis761 
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Woo! Go Phobos! You're a beast! Keep updated and provide links to the games!!
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 13:48:07


Quicksilver 
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As Warlight's top agent, I agree to represent Nauzhror.

I have a strong track record of enabling my clients to achieve their goals. As just an example I landed my client FiveStarGeneral an interview with the legendary journalist Pardon. This successfully boosted his name recognition amongst the Warlight strategic community. They also got to know intimate, humanising details about him such as his love for kpop, which successfully built his brand as a well-adjusted guy who has hobbies other than Warlight.

I'll confer with my client and get back to you promptly.

Edited 9/21/2020 13:49:04
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 14:06:27


Quicksilver 
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Ok, I've conferred with my client Nauzhror:

He has zero interest in playing these games. He doesn't care how he matches up against Phobos. He knows that he's a good player at MME, and he doesn't need to prove that to anyone.

He congratulates Phobos for his honourable 1v1 ladder trophy, and wishes him the best of luck in his future endeavours.

Yours,

Quicksilver - Warzone's Best Agent*


(*Based on best performance on KPI's)

Edited 9/21/2020 14:07:12
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 14:07:36


Torsten
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Darn, I was hoping this challenge was gonna take place.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 14:07:53


Farah♦ 
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As Warlight's topper agent, I agree to take over Quicksilver's position of representing Nauzhror.

I have a stronger track record of enabling my clients to not only achieve their goals, but also their dreams. Just as an example, I landed my client Quicksilver an interview with the legendary warlighter Farah. This successfully boosted his name recognition amongst the Warlight strategic community. They also got to know intimate, dehumanizing details about him, such as his love for killing Koreans people, which successfully built his brand as a well-adjusted Japanese who has hobbies other than Warlight.

I'll confer with my client and will get back to you promptly.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 14:08:24


Torsten
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XD
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 15:01:18


rakleader 
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Thank you Farah for taking over.
Hopefully Nauzhror will be able to shed his cowardly "all talk, no game" image with your help.

I'll be waiting to hear some good news.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 15:06:39


Joi179
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wait.. if we ger a ladder full of nauz... and nobody gettinf the trophy. this would break the rating so it has to be fixed. you are a genius rak. get mor nauz's!
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 15:20:47


Njord
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i predict phobos goes 6-0.... theres just a stark difference, to have or not to have the trophy. That's the question.

it does really separate the sheep from the goats
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 16:40:18

FiveStarGeneral
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As FiveStarGeneral I am sorry to say that the fame I have gained has been a curse. Due to Quicksilver's publicity, I am harassed by hordes of (female) fans day and night. Avoid him like the plague.

This would be a fun exhibition match though. But make it Bo5, otherwise Nauz might start booting if it becomes a test of endurance.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 16:50:15


Quicksilver 
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hey! i get results, i don't promise you'll like them tho
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 16:51:50


Rikku
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« tried a lot harder than his opponents »

Burn the cheater!
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/21/2020 18:27:54


Master Meldarion 
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How dare he actually try
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 00:14:41

Nauzhror 
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"i predict phobos goes 6-0.... theres just a stark difference, to have or not to have the trophy. That's the question."

Nice meme. Too bad I've already won our only matchup on strat 1v1 ever.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=20712416

Look at his turn 1 FFS. It's atrocious. What the hell is that play in Southeast Asia? If you're not going to go for the ftb, don't pick it.

By the time we meet turn 4 I am up 17 vs 11, he's already lost the game due to his trash picks and trash expansion.

Edited 9/22/2020 00:17:47
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 00:47:31


Xenophon 
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Nauz in 6
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 01:01:33

Pulsey
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I would say something but it seems like Nauz has done a well enough job of humiliating himself.

No surprise to see him still doing the same old ruse... sad man.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 04:55:36


Phobos 
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Nauz I was going to give you a pass on the "I'm legitimately disinterested" shtick, but then you had to show on this thread referencing an ancient history ladder game.

As such:
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=24013850
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 05:01:46

Max Scherzer 
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Ok Nauz has to accept or admit he mouthed off. You can't call someone trash then refuse to play them. Honestly, that sounds like bad sportsmanship to me.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 05:04:17

Max Scherzer 
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Phobos in 7
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 05:08:51


{TLA} LND
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I can understand someone not wanting to do a public challenge, but posting game links to show superiority doesn't really support a "disinterested" stance.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 05:10:17


Cloud Strife
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So, Nauz is being a miserable, envious arse to a player who actually achieved something and is trying to belittle their accomplishment via kindergarten-level arguments because of his own insecurities.

What an absolute shocker.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 08:18:11


Yaxvi
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Observations:

* Rak has gone awful political lately, now taking a dive into personal affairs in the warzone community is a great career move for him.

* Nauz is called out publically, if he walks away he'll be a laughing stock of the game. He's currently on a ladder run with 5 games at a time so it's fairly obvious he can fit a game in. If he loses it's embarassing but if he wins he becomes validated on Phobos.

* Phobos confidence is admirable to actually chase him and take the risk of losing and being embarassed in front of everyone. It's not like Nauzhror is a noob (2200 rating and generally has the skill just lack of head in key moments). It seems the difference is mindsets, one is confident and one is a serial bottler to pressure moments.

* Cloud Strife with the bit of truth, god your blunt Strife it's brilliant there's no sugar coating with you.

* This all started from Phobo's 1v1 ladder guide. Which means that if I didn't make those 2v2 and 3v3 ladder guides, we'd likely not get his 1v1 ladder guide hence this drama. Meaning I'm totally validated in my efforts into making those guides as it's lead to an overall community benefit.

* You got to love a underdog, 4-2 Nauzhror. I genuinely believe whoever wins the first game will win the series and it's 2020 where anything can happen.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 09:59:07


Quicksilver 
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oh it's plat's fault!

it all makes sense now
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 10:25:50


rakleader 
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By the time we meet turn 4 I am up 17 vs 11, he's already lost the game due to his trash picks and trash expansion.


See, this is exactly why this challenge needs to happen!
Whether it's in here or on Discord, Nauzhror keeps making those rude comments. My client cannot let those attacks on his character go unanswered.

@Farah: Can you please check under your client's bed and get him out of here? We need him to play some games, and not just stay hidden and run his mouth.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/22/2020 18:53:48


berdan131
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Who is plat? The old player "Platinum" is retired
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/23/2020 08:02:23

Nauzhror 
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"So, Nauz is being a miserable, envious arse to a player who actually achieved something and is trying to belittle their accomplishment via kindergarten-level arguments because of his own insecurities."

No. More like rak and Pardon are trying to create drama and beef. There's no feud or rivalry or anything else here. This thread is nonsense.

Them trying to make mountains out of molehills has nothing to do with me.

"* You got to love a underdog, 4-2 Nauzhror. I genuinely believe whoever wins the first game will win the series and it's 2020 where anything can happen."

It'll be 0-0, I don't give a shit about Phobos, or the opinions of anyone in this thread. I play the game to have fun, not to impress others or to prove myself to people I don't give a shit about.

Everyone in this thread can kindly fuck off.

"Phobos in 7"

Lol. Max, learn how elo works.

Someone going 6-1 implies a elo separation of 315. It'd be like either of us playing someone rated around 1900.

A far more realistic expectation, regardless of who wins is 6-4, or 6-5. I'm not wasting my time playing 10-11 games to try and prove something I don't care about. People on discord have been trying to create drama because they're bored.

People have been messaging me links to this thread, asking me if I thought I'd win.

FWIW, yes, I think I'd win, it's not because I beat Phobos in our previous game, it's not even because he made lousy picks vs Robert E Lee, it's because he doubled down on those lousy picks, and tried to defend them when people told him they were bad. Everyone makes bad picks occasionally. Most people who are actually good though can look at those picks afterwards and acknowledge that they were flawed. Being unable to do so implies a larger lack of understanding than merely making said picks does.

Also his claim that my win vs him was ancient history is laughable, it's like 7 months old, it and other losses that occurred right after it expiring were what allowed him to get rank 1.

Edited 9/23/2020 08:22:58
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/23/2020 10:41:47


Njord
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i interpret that as a yes on participating in the challenge....



let the games begin!!!
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/23/2020 12:36:59


Buns157 
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Place your bets here!!!

4:1 on Nauzhor and only Nohhams are accepted.
Phobos vs Nauzhror, the Challenge !: 9/23/2020 12:48:13


Quicksilver 
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so 1/4 on Glass? (or does the house have a take?)

I'll put 30 nohhams on Glass at 1/4.
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