Extreme 2 is also a cherry picked fear-mongering example

That's right. It was supposed to be. As the name implies, it's an EXTREME example. What I mean is, the opposite of fully closed borders are fully open borders. No verifications whatsoever, of any kind. And of course, this is meant to be a ridicule example. Just extreme ends of a wide spectrum.


If we loosened immigration restrictions, the undocumented immigrants would be replaced with legal and documented immigrants........ Also, I believe that all welfare should be abolished

What you're talking here, is a moderate solution, so it's a completely different topic.




If we wanna talk about the RIGHT solution, then.... Personally I believe in meritocracy. Just calculating what is "best". To decide if a country needs more open or more closed borders. Based on circumstances and "realpolitik".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

Not all immigrants are equal because not all cultures are equal. What happened to the Native American way of life when too many immigrants who didn't share their values came over from Europe? Their way of life was radically changed.

GDP isn't the only way to measure how well a country is doing. I bet this guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWT9zhKcuJo) helps Toronto's GDP grow... is he an overall asset to Canadian society?

Why not encourage your own country's population to breed and make life easier on larger families (like Hungary does) instead of mass migration?

Hungary has been stagnant for 10 years and has a lot of problems.

Nice cherry-picked video from one radical Muslim. Also from Canada which is irrelevant to the topic.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/08/09/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/

Our demographic projections estimate that Muslims will make up 2.1% of the U.S. population by the year 2050, surpassing people who identify as Jewish on the basis of religion as the second-largest faith group in the country (not including people who say they have no religion).

Keep on fear mongering!

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that escalated rather quickly

@Benjamin628

Hungary has been stagnant for 10 years and has a lot of problems.

I'm not saying let's emulate Hungary in every aspect, I'm saying let's emulate them with regards to making life easier on big families.
Thanks for sending a study showing 72% of Indonesian Muslims support instituting sharia law, a supposed moderate Muslim country. I'm not fearmongering, I can read Muslim texts for myself and see what they believe, whether Western Muslims know these texts exist or agree with them is irrelevant.
https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/2/190
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/43/167
https://sunnah.com/urn/1262620
https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/40/8
https://sunnah.com/urn/42350
I could go on, but I'll just direct you to look up Christian Prince. Famous Muslim apologists refuse to debate him, and Indonesia's most popular news site called him the biggest threat to Islam... a guy who makes Youtube videos is the biggest threat to Islam.

Ignoring politics, Amash sounds like a kid mad that the guy he dislikes became the popular kid in the club

i do not know why you think i am a female or how it matters but i am a 18 year old man

thats a bad pun my guy you could have said it's the Kebab flag

I'm not saying let's emulate Hungary in every aspect, I'm saying let's emulate them with regards to making life easier on big families.
Thanks for sending a study showing 72% of Indonesian Muslims support instituting sharia law, a supposed moderate Muslim country. I'm not fearmongering, I can read Muslim texts for myself and see what they believe, whether Western Muslims know these texts exist or agree with them is irrelevant.

Yeah, let's reduce taxes heavily to support big families.

I don't care how many Muslims support Sharia Law, about half of American's don't support 2A. We are a diverse nation with many diverse ideas, some better than others. 1% of the population's ideas on government isn't going to fundamentally change our rights.

i mean us has the lowest health expendancy
you have to do your own tax even though goverment knows how much you owe them but they dont tell you
healthcare cost thousands for no reason
The Universities literally Milk Their Students Out of cash at every chance they could
rich are less taxed than the middle class and lower class
anti vax movement was started at the us
general complacency
lack of desire to change
more extremist policies
Schooling System is broken to the point that it doesnt help you in life anymore
Guns are easily bought if you arent a criminal
School Shootings Becoming More Commoner
Fighting 2 Unwinnable wars (war against terror and war against drugs)

Yes Usa Does Have Problems that need to be solved and badly

And You Know Why I consider War On Drugs And War On Terror Unwinnable let me explain

Unlike what i just said these wars are tecnically winnable but the way america is trying to combat them accually makes them stronger.

on war on drugs the attacked the supply not the demand which just made it worse as it got higher in price and an average drug user just had to pay more for it.secondly using drugs like weed shouldnt sent you to jail this will only prevent or worse case scenerio would make the problem worse as they cant progress anymore in life so they turn into crime.

how should have the us tackled this problem was to make drug stations made from goverments dime to make drug selling on the streets unprofitable that way you know who uses drugs and you can rehabilitate them.this would have solved the drug problem as long as those drug stations were still open

war on terror on the other hand has a diffrent problem
it should not have been a military one
the best way to defeat terrorist is to laugh at them their basic idea is to cause terror within the populance so if the public just laughed at the terrorist it would have never given them a powerbase in anybodys mind

being happy is the opposite of being in terror so being happy and laughing at the terrorist would have worked more than any military action

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and if you are against what i said thats fine by me as i want to know what other people think on this topic

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@goralgn Based on your comments on this thread, I'm curious as to what your thoughts on Erdogan are. From an outsider's perspective, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Turkish_constitutional_referendum this doesn't look good. It seems as if Erdogan is undoing a lot of positive reforms that Ataturk did.

+1 Pepe, I'd like to hear his thoughts too.

goralgn, I agree with your thoughts on the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. But some of your other comments are just untrue stereotypes about America that can be easily disproven:

i mean us has the lowest health expendancy

rich are less taxed than the middle class and lower class

Guns are easily bought if you arent a criminal
School Shootings Becoming More Commoner

None of these statements are true.

you want my real thoughts on erdoğan i want the cancer that is erdoğan dead and buried.


at first he was a good President up until gezi protestoları which basically the city wanted a mosque at gezi national park it was chaotic as the youth didnt want another mosque i remember reading somewhere "gezi protestocuları dozerle toma kovaladı" which was about the protestors were getting watered by the toma (idk the equivalent of ot in english) and the protestors found a digger and using that they chased the toma away.

This was the end of good erdoğan as after this he became more authoritarian and more and more extremist particularly more islamist and what i think is conservative. erdoğan himself said he doesnt believe womans deserve the same rights as men.i remember hearing that on the news and i think that was the first time i used curse words and i gave him the nickname of "the idiotic sexist dictator bastard" that i still use to this day.

this hit a peak on 15th of july 2016 where army tried to coup the goverment but first i want to explain why army tried to coup in the first place. Atatürk had given the army an order no matter what turkey must remain secular and demotratic.in 2016 army used that order to try to coup the leaders of turkey

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because at this point they saw who erdoğan truly was which was a guy turning into a islamic dictator day by day too bad the public sided with erdoğan on this matter 2017 Turkish constitutional referendum was truly when turkey abondoned atatürk's vision and started to follow erdoğan's vision.2017 Turkish constitutional referendum when turkey i known and loved died now in its place is a zombie that clains it still follows that of ataturk's vision but is following another person's vision.Turkey Of 2001 and below would look at turkey of today and would denounce it that i have no doubt.and it is 2001 and down because Akp (erdoğans party) became the goverment at 2002 election.



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"goralgn, I agree with your thoughts on the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. But some of your other comments are just untrue stereotypes about America that can be easily disproven:

i mean us has the lowest health expendancy


rich are less taxed than the middle class and lower class


Guns are easily bought if you arent a criminal
School Shootings Becoming More Commoner


None of these statements are true."

if it truly isnt than that is my bad benjamin

Lots of respect. Keep fighting authoritarianism goralgn.

but there is one extra chapter to this story i want to tell and that is even if turkey has lost ataturk's vision that doesn't mean vision was lost forever.

enter the child land or "yavru vatan" KKTC (Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti) Or TRNC (Turkish Republic Of Northern Cyprus).

TRNC Has Something That I Wish Turkey Had and That Is A Culture Which If You Believe The Authority Was Wrong (like a manager) You Can and will question it like "No (insert name of the manager) This is how are you suppose to do it" this is something turkey has forgotten and more than likely will never be seen in turkey again.

Because Of That Mindset Of if you think this is wrong question it mentality in TRNC is just makes it so goverment just cant force something down the public's throat and get away with it .Especially Since in TRNC Nearly everyone Knows each other you wont get away doing your job half-assed. You Can't Be Authoritive Without Alot Of People Questioning you.You Can't spend The majority of the limited budget on Religion stuff without people rioting. you can't Say Women Don't deserve the same rights as males and live with your face intact.

TRNC is the opposite Of Turkey And Yet Today it holds the only nation remaining that follows ataturk's vision secular and democrative

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and i found a youtube video by gradeaundera that has a lot of good points that i agree with and i wanted to share it

video= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFu8KK7DnYk