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Amash2020: 4/22/2020 00:32:47


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For those who don't know, Justin Amash is a congressman from MI-3 who famously left the Republican Party in 2019 because he believed the party had abandoned its principles to make room for President Trump. He is now "seriously considering" a run for POTUS, saying that "Trump vs Biden is not the contest America deserves or needs right now".

If he runs, I would gladly cast my first vote ever for him. Trump is a buffoon and Biden is not right in the head, and Amash lines up quite well with my principles.

Thoughts? Will he run? Any MI-3 out there hoping to keep this guy in Congress or get rid of him or what?
Amash2020: 4/22/2020 03:38:56


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Voting for a candidate who isn't Biden or Trump gives power to the one you like less. If you genuinely feel like both are shitty, it's your responsibility to vote for the one that's less shitty. Otherwise, your vote (which could have otherwise gone to the less-worse candidate) is wasted, which could really matter in a swing state like PA.

But eh for every disillusioned Republican that votes for this guy there's probably 10 Bernie-or-Busters ready to torpedo Biden's campaign, give Trump another 4 years, watch RBG and Breyer die, and let the SCOTUS go 7-2 for the foreseeable future.
Amash2020: 4/22/2020 13:24:02


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Voting for a candidate who isn't Biden or Trump gives power to the one you like less.

Why would anyone vote for Biden, he has no chance of winning? That's just taking votes away from Amash and giving half a vote for Trump.

See how your logic works? It doesn't matter that most people accept two party rule. Biden will lose in a landslide, hence why Amash is the best candidate to take down Trump for many reasons:

1. Liberals/Progressives need to face the reality that America will never have a Scandinavian-like Welfare state (free healthcare/college).
1a. Amash is almost everything that Liberals/Progressives want besides that: Anti-War, Anti-Drug War, Anti-Corporatist, etc. Consider him the Ron Paul of 2020. Biden is none of these things.

2. Amash is a principled Constitutionalist: he invokes people like Washington/Madison who are almost universally respected in America.

3. Biden has severe mental health issues, any "debate" against Trump would just be a campaign rally for Trump.

4. [For] every disillusioned Republican that votes for this guy there's probably 10 Bernie-or-Busters ready to torpedo Biden's campaign, give Trump another 4 years, watch RBG and Breyer die, and let the SCOTUS go 7-2 for the foreseeable future.

5. By the end of their term if they win, Trump will be 78, Biden will be 82, Amash will be 44. Nobody knows how reliable the health of a man who eats fast food everyday and has a history of drug abuse is, or a man who has had a brain aneurysm is. I'm not talking about 2024. I'm talking about October/November 2020. Remember Trump's last opponent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4qwry5Ypj4

It's not Biden vs Trump. It's Trump vs whoever decides to run against him. Hopefully that will be Amash.

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Amash2020: 4/22/2020 13:41:08


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i dont know american politics (i am from turkey) but at this point america must lose it "i can do whatever i want to because i can because i am the usa" mentality in politics or they will let russia and china get ahead of them


america needs more workers rights or maybe 20 to 40 years another civil war will happen from rioting workers
Amash2020: 4/22/2020 14:22:41


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>the party abandoned its principles to make room for Donald Trump

what like inclusivity, open borders, and diversity? lmao

>Amash is almost everything that Liberals/Progressives want besides that

then he should run as a Democrat
Amash2020: 4/22/2020 14:24:50


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Btw before the epithets come out against me, let me just say that I'm disillusioned Yang Gang
Amash2020: 4/22/2020 14:34:14


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America does not seem to be a democracy in the central european sense. Strange, they always tell me "we have guns to rise aggainst tyranny" but nothing happens even thou the majority cannot get their political ideas put into action.
Amash2020: 4/22/2020 14:35:27


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No idea about abash, but isn't it wrong to say 'voting for biden is wrong cause it takes away votes from amash'? The big parties elected trump and biden, if you vote for amash you definitely take a vote from one of them, not the other way around

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Amash2020: 4/22/2020 14:53:36


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i dont know american politics (i am from turkey) but at this point america must lose it "i can do whatever i want to because i can because i am the usa" mentality in politics or they will let russia and china get ahead of them

Russia? No. China? Well, I'm a huge fan of Chinese culture, geography, and China as a whole, but even I see that they're tearing apart at the seams. China's rapid economic growth is foreshadowed by much larger political instability and authoritarian policies. See:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-gdp-hubei/chinas-hubei-epicentre-of-coronavirus-outbreak-posts-first-quarter-gdp-slump-idUSKCN2231QJ

what like inclusivity, open borders, and diversity? lmao

No. Fiscal responsibility, Free Trade, Constitutionalism, etc.

then he should run as a Democrat

Tulsi Gabbard/Andrew Yang would've done far better in a Bernie vs Biden race from the start. Amash obviously can't run as a Democrat anymore since they practically decided their nominee.

The big parties elected trump and biden, if you vote for amash you definitely take a vote from one of them, not the other way around

Trump and Clinton got a combined 129 million votes. There are 250 million voting age people in America. Trump and Clinton weren't appealing enough to 121 million voters like me (I wasn't voting age in 2016 but I would've voted for Gary), whether they didn't vote, or voted for someone else. If someone can get out a good message and is appealing to many Americans, they will increase voter turnout. Let me remind you as to what a popular third party candidate can do:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election

Who did all those Ross Perot voters help? Would George HW Bush won reelection or would Clinton's margin have increased?

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Amash2020: 4/22/2020 15:12:16


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>free trade

NAFTA isn't free trade lol. Also, a lot of people want to see China get fucked. This might not be a Republican value, but it is certainly an American value that goes back to the Federalist era. You don't want foreign industry making all your essential products because stuff like the coronavirus happens.

>Constitutionalism

I mean, Trump has failed to stand in the way of some aspects of gun control, but I'm sure that's not what you're talking about.

>Fiscal responsibility

Always a campaign promise, never actually put into practice. I doubt (Republican X) would be any different than Trump. Also Trump has been fiscally responsible in some regards. Cutting funding for the W.H.O. is a recent example.

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Amash2020: 4/22/2020 15:47:46


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NAFTA isn't free trade lol

It was negotiated and put into practice by a Democrat (Clinton), so how is that relevant at all?

Also, a lot of people want to see China get fucked. This might not be a Republican value, but it is certainly an American value that goes back to the Federalist era. You don't want foreign industry making all your essential products because stuff like the coronavirus happens.

Difference between producing medical masks and ventilators in your own country because of epidemiology and sitting down with large steel/aluminum companies to tell them they will be protected by tariffs on Chinese goods. I take it back, Republicans have been doing this since the Federalist era.

Always a campaign promise, never actually put into practice. I doubt (Republican X) would be any different than Trump. Also Trump has been fiscally responsible in some regards. Cutting funding for the W.H.O. is a recent example.

We give WHO $400 Million dollars a year. Not fiscal responsibility, just politics. Trump tweeted this morning that the Navy will sink Iranian gunboats if they "harass our ships at sea". Starting a trillion dollar war (which I get he hasn't done yet, but he also hasn't stopped any) is not fiscally responsible.
Amash2020: 4/22/2020 15:53:09


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"Always a campaign promise, never actually put into practice. I doubt (Republican X) would be any different than Trump. Also Trump has been fiscally responsible in some regards. Cutting funding for the W.H.O. is a recent example."

a politician has to keep you happy during election time not the 4 years after

never trust a candidates campaign when it matters

you should look at who worked hard when it didnt matter to them
Amash2020: 4/22/2020 19:42:55


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i say if sanders is availible vote to him

or give a third party a tactical vote
Amash2020: 4/29/2020 08:56:54


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Told y’all. Let’s do this!
Amash2020: 4/29/2020 12:25:09


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Shame Bloomberg dropped out that guy seemed like a cool fellow !!!
Amash2020: 4/29/2020 18:47:34


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The Federalist party was the proto-Republican party, so yes, protective tariffs are a traditional value of the Republican party.

Trump's policy in the Middle East is only popular among his boomer supporters. I see the intervention in Iran as an inevitable consequence of the Israeli lobby, which elects all presidents whether it be an Obama, a Trump, or your Amash.
Amash2020: 4/29/2020 19:09:57


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You have an electoral college, stop pretending like your votes matter. With Sanders and Yang gone, you will get an establishment candidate who will come in, and come out, having changed nothing.
Amash2020: 4/29/2020 19:58:44


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I'm gonna go ahead and say based
Amash2020: 4/29/2020 21:00:15


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Based on what?
Amash2020: 4/30/2020 03:02:01


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Go for it. In Canada, we unfortunately didn't elect Maxime Bernier (basically our Ron Paul) when he left the Conservatives... he ended up getting 1.6% of the vote and 0 seats.
Amash2020: 5/3/2020 19:02:20


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I see the intervention in Iran as an inevitable consequence of the Israeli lobby, which elects all presidents whether it be an Obama, a Trump, or your Amash.

Okay Anti-Semite. What's your evidence? Bernie is tough on Israel and still raises a shit ton of money and almost won the DNC nomination twice (if he wasn't cheated out of it).

You have an electoral college, stop pretending like your votes matter. With Sanders and Yang gone, you will get an establishment candidate who will come in, and come out, having changed nothing.

I live in Pennsylvania, which is objectively the second most important state this November for the Electoral College. First is Michigan. Amash is from Michigan. If he makes Joe Biden lose to Trump in Michigan, and gives Trump the election, that really sucks for Joe Biden, and it would also be 100% Joe Biden's fault if he lost. He's run for president twice already. Be a better candidate. Stop trying to cheat out better candidates. Also remember that there is no way to prove how a third party candidate affects the race between two candidates, let alone Jesse Ventura + Amash.

Shame Bloomberg dropped out that guy seemed like a cool fellow !!!

Nah. He spent almost a billion dollars for his run (he's in the top 15 richest people in the world) and was basically a Biden clone with no momentum and no enthusiasm

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Amash2020: 5/3/2020 19:46:39


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"Nah. He spent almost a billion dollars for his run (he's in the top 15 richest people in the world) and was basically a Biden clone with no momentum and no enthusiasm"

wait you spend that much money on elections?

"You have an electoral college, stop pretending like your votes matter. With Sanders and Yang gone, you will get an establishment candidate who will come in, and come out, having changed nothing."

every president of the us has changed something so thats just false


wtf is wrong with america why do your politics have no sanity it just feels like more like US goverment is a oligarchy than a democracy

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Amash2020: 5/3/2020 20:09:55


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>Pointing out the Israeli lobby is anti-Semitic

This is a level of stupidity that I just can't argue with
Amash2020: 5/3/2020 20:14:16


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>Bernie is tough on Israel and still raises a shit ton of money and almost won the DNC nomination twice (if he wasn't cheated out of it).

Bernie will bow to anyone once the command is give

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Amash2020: 5/3/2020 20:20:31


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whats with the racism?(anti-Semitic)(anti-black)(anti-Turk)(you got the point it i hope) i thought USA Was The land Of The Free?
How Can You Be claim to be Free If Your Ethicity gets kept being thrown at you?
Amash2020: 5/3/2020 20:20:32


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whats with the racism?(anti-Semitic)(anti-black)(anti-Turk)(you got the point it i hope) i thought USA Was The land Of The Free?
How Can You Be claim to be Free If Your Ethicity gets kept being thrown at you?
Amash2020: 5/4/2020 00:11:37


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Liberals/Progressives need to face the reality that America will never have a Scandinavian-like Welfare state (free healthcare/college


The new world countries, (Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand) were all wealthier on average than those countries in Europe because they had abundant natural resources but a small population. Thus wages were quite high because labor was in high demand. Now, with massive immigration and dwindling natural resources, the ratio of natural resources to people is leveling off and even declining in the US which is why we have had stagnant wages for 50 years. Wages will continue to decline until US wages reach their European counterparts. Most jobs in the US still pay more than in Europe.

When this happens then the US will need to develop a European welfare state.

Another way of saying the same thing....

What do you think the frontier expansion was all about? It was about giving poor Americans land. And in those days land = wealth. The Rich and middle class paid for the army. The Army killed the Indians. And then the property was sold at a unthinkably high discount to the poorest Americans. Some rich people benefited from Western Expansion like in the south but it was mostly poor people and immigrants settling the west.

When the US ran out of arable land around 1875, the poor began to pile up in the inner cities and massive economic inequality emerged. It wasn't long after the US ran out of land, that unions started to form and began agitating for free handouts.

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Amash2020: 5/4/2020 00:46:03


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Libs and Progs managed to turn socialism into *deconstructing and looting Western culture* what an ironic twist.

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Amash2020: 5/4/2020 13:15:28


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Amash has no realistic path to win. Love the guy, but a vote for him is only a protest vote. IMO. A vote for Amash helps Trump.
Amash2020: 5/4/2020 13:18:06


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Bernie lost. He got obliterated in the South. nothing was "stolen" from him.
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