Did your relationship survive that horrible joke?

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not only talking a bit in quarantine in my home you know

Whether the people in "positions of power" are Masters players or not, is irrelevant, unless of course you are implying that these people are dishonest and with no sense of integrity. To even suggest that they would favour us, or in any way influence Clan League to our advantage, is to undermine the hard work they put into making it happen. I am certain anything Cowboy has done has been to streamline the process of selecting templates, I don't think it's easy work (at the very least, it uses up his time).

I don't know if Xenophon was trolling, but seeing as others were taking it seriously I thought I would comment on it.


"Id suggest making a new division, above A, where Masters should be and then another division above this one to put their egos there xd " This was really funny XD

Honestly, I feel that you hate us, cuz you ain't us. Don't be jelly.


Also it's my birthday, thank you.

your master boss is jelly Marcus, happy birthday anyway

Can't they simply go to division B?

happy birthdays!!
No doubt this people are honnest! but 3 or 4 players from same clan is little weird !
1 per clan would be the best
exactly in case of contestation will concern Masters

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For those who think that there is a difference between all Masters joining Apprentice and all Apprentices joining Masters you should first take a step back and ask yourself if this is a professional league, or one where the primary purpose is the enjoyment of the participants. The leaders of the league in the past have come to the conclusion that the people make up the clan, rather than the other way around, which makes sense, since it is ultimately people whose interests we should be serving.

However, if you do believe the clan tag is the most important thing, consider the following story.

One blessed day, Cristiano Ronaldo, Paulo Dybala, and 10 other Juventus players are found to be guilty of cheating and banned from playing football for two years. People around the world are shocked and appalled at the horrible conduct of Juventus players and the Agnelli family who enabled their actions, so there is a global boycott on Fiats. The Agnellis go bankrupt, and rather than sell Juventus to someone else, allow the team to fold.

Time passes. Everyone in Italy is overjoyed to see this new world free of Juventus domination. Throughout Europe the response is more muted. They don't understand what the big deal is about this club that hasn't won the Champions League in 25 years.

Time passes and people stop caring about the Fiat boycott, and the Agnelli fortunes rebound. A few years later, SPAL is undergoing some difficulties. The club is likely to relegate, but having had a taste of Serie A football the players, fans, and management aren't content with languishing away in Serie B or (gasp) further relegation to Serie C. The primary ultra group of SPAL reaches out to the Agnellis and proposes a join venture. Andrea Agnelli will purchase SPAL, but he will also change the crest and name of the club to Juventus! However, he will also bring in Cristiano Ronaldo, Dybala and a few other Juventus stalwarts, who having served their bans are eligible to play again. After a lengthy debate, the people of Ferrara agree to the proposal.

The expected does come to pass and SPAL don't survive the season and relegate to Serie B. However, with the new recruits, the next season Juventus (nee SPAL) promotes back into Serie A and backed by Agnelli's rediscovered wealth, Juventus continues to compete for scudetti (though of course Champions League glory continues to evade them).

No doubt this people are honnest! but 3 or 4 players from same clan is little weird !

I would even say, a little suspect!

@Beren im not sure of it but if Agnelli family buy SPAL they can't named Juventus FC. They had to use other similar name and they should be relegated in Division D like in the past with Palermo and Napoles cases.

i have a question, let's take a clan named abbs that has 30 members playing in A in a specific season of cl and has only 10 members in its roster because the rest were busy for that season but wanted and were going to play if they had time.

now, let's take a clan named nasters that is not playing cl and wants to jump to A and manages (somehow, this is not important) to poach 6 of those 10 roster members from abbs.

so now, according to this famous rule that is allowing masters to jump to A/B and allowed outlaws to jump to A too, will nasters now play in A despite that fact that abbs has 24 members left that still want to play cl for abbs? what happens to abbs now, they can not play at all ever again or start in D? do you see the problem here? if the 3 active players in masters want to play cl, they are free to move to apps, just like pardon, xeno, farah, jeff, etc did.

and @beren, your story couldn't be more wrong even if you tried.

Andrea Agnelli will purchase SPAL, but he will also change the crest and name of the club to Juventus! However, he will also bring in Cristiano Ronaldo, Dybala and a few other Juventus stalwarts, who having served their bans are eligible to play again. After a lengthy debate, the people of Ferrara agree to the proposal.

this is a wrong comparison to what is happening with apps and masters. apps is not changing their crest or name to MASTER. if you look here https://www.warzone.com/Clans/?ID=245 , it still says Apprentice.

the right story should be:
juventus is not participating at all in the league cause they cheated, in none of the divisions, so Agnelli comes and tells all the spal players to join Juventus and in return Juventus will take Spal's position in the second division(???) because they do not want to start in the lowest tier. And now, spal, if they buy new players and want to play in the league again, have to start in D.

now tell us, when has that happened before?

" if the 3 active players in masters want to play cl, they are free to move to apps, just like pardon, xeno, farah, jeff, etc did."

exactly!! But apparently the tag is important for master

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and this is not even a real merge, this is a predatory practice. if this thing goes through, and masters plays in B, then think about the roster for a moment. it will be exactly the same as apps has right now cause neither rufus and timi are going to play in B. the rest of players in masters are retired.

if there were 2 real life companies where one has 0 euros in profit (company A) and the other has over 10 billion(company B), you do not see B joining A, but A joins B.

but the sad thing is, this is a pointless thread, cause this "merge" is in cowboy's interest and fits his agenda and as long as he is in charge, "masters" will play in B next season.

plat and the rest of his clan are geniuses for being able to win a case like this and making outlaws play in A.

@Beren: I agree JSA is missing.

It was just a point of consideration. Of course players do the clan, in general. But to take a decision on winning slots for a team tournament, where players can often go, split, or fusion with different clans, there is a lot of different situations that can be a mess to judge. Anyway, if we start on this hypothesis, the answer of this question is quite obvious.

One clan to rule them all. One clan to find them all.
one clan to bring them all. And bind them in the shadows, in the land of warzone.

You mortals better dont defy Masters orders, or you will be relegated to de Depth division!

So far no cheese has been returned, clearly a French conspiracy to deprive us of true joy.

Beren gets the best post award, I love the detail and am shocked at the level of footballing knowledge from an American.

We can talk about hypothetical scenarios in which the rule fails. I would be the first to admit that they exist. However, I challenge you to come up with a perfect rule.

I can easily concoct a scenario in which your rule that the tag is paramount produces an entirely unfair outcome. What if someone gains manager rights to a clan and boots out all the members. Fizzer can give back control of a clan to the person who purchased it, but that person is inactive and nobody can reach them. Now all the players who have been booted from the clan create a new clan. Should they now have to start from the bottom?

In this concrete example, 100% of the active members of Apprentice are now in Masters. In its essence, it is the same as the above example minus the coercion.

People are also saying that the Apprentice players who are moving to Masters will now have fewer opportunities to play because Masters players will take all the slots from them, but if that doesn't bother them, why should it bother you? It's not like they are unaware of this, yet they still wanted to join Masters, just like they wanted mod and Motoki to play for them this season. And in any case, the same would apply if all Masters players joined Apprentice.

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A very heated topic of discussion. I think I'll take mt shirt off.

A very heated topic of discussion. I think I'll take mt shirt off.