@cowboy

I appreciate your concern and commitment.

However it is frustrating to see such slander without proof.

so if I understand good I want to say "welcome other time FUDEW :D" will be a nice division without dubs

You're not being accused of cheating; there's deadlines that are specified in the rules (which you have access to) and you missed the deadlines. Common sense tells that you're not abusing the system to gain an unfair advantage, hence there's no cheating accusation. The only problem is that allowing you to play without any form of penalty can set a bad precedent, hence the discussion. Nobody is slandering you.

The CL Panel taking over the template pruning process was setting a bad precedent, but that didn't seem to worry you at the time.

It did, but we weighed our decision.

Clans can use lineups already given by others to match make and gain an unfair advantage.

This would need quite a complicated optimization algorithm which needs certain data nobody can feed the algorithm reliably with. If done right the results should be pretty much non existant and if done wrong people play settings they aren't comfortable with.

At least the CL management of my clan is more concerned with kicking my mates in the butt in order to play some games rather than obsessing over the lineup of the other clans.

People are seriously overestimating the potential benefit of knowing other clans' lineups before making your own. In the absolute best case it's not worth more than 5 points in terms of expected value, and really it's negligible relative to the overall volatility of WL games in general and CL in particular.

The only reasonable arguments against letting them play are if we think this will encourage clans to disregard deadlines and make everything slower than it already is, or if it makes life harder for the organizers. That's it.

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+1 Beren

it doesn't hurt anyone or anything to let them in.

Look, I only complain because I think rules are rules and deadlines are deadlines. I personally could care less whether FUDEW plays, and I fully appreciate the work Cowboy is doing even though it probably doesn't seem like it.

The "it doesn't hurt anyone" argument flies in the face of setting rules in the first place. When AI got an extra sub/slot it was because "it didn't hurt anyone" and if FUDEW plays it's going to be because it "doesn't hurt anyone." And I appreciate the idea that people play this game for fun, but games have rules, and if we're going to have a league that has rules, we should follow them. I've been very consistent about this, I think, even though some interpret it as incessant complaining, because what happens when "it doesn't hurt anyone" becomes an advantage for someone?

I get your concerns Bonsai, but in the end it's better to let clans play, if they can.

While I would appreciate if clans follow the deadlines, but being accommodating is the best thing for the league overall. I do think rules need to be fairly clear and followed, but I also think going too hard with the letter of the law complicates things for everyone.

Also regarding the MH situation last CL, that was a mix-up on Farah's part, it was a literal lose lose situation as the tourneys had already made and would've backed stuff up for another week or 2.
I'm doing my best to prevent oversights like this. Particularly, I will be handling substitutions and slots myself (with the other CL Panel members)

Farah is lazy too and also didn't want to do more work. You guys have that in common.

Says the guy who did like 2 updates as CL scorekeeper in CL10 :P

I have decided to allow BR to play, as they now have everything they need to get started. They will be penalized 5 points for going far past the deadline though. It will be counted off similarly to how it was counted off on NWO in CL11.

Hey Bonsai how about you just go back to disappearing for another year like you did in CL10?

Farah is lazy too and also didn't want to do more work. You guys have that in common.

You wot, mate?

Farah is lazy too and also didn't want to do more work. You guys have that in common.

Also, addressing the issue of me being "lazy" when the decision on the AI case was made: I offered to recreate the tournament about four times if someone really had a problem with it. The organizers, scorekeepers, ethics panel and audit panel all looked at the issue. It was ultimately decided to not recreate that tournament. A decision that I didn't make. So go and complain somewhere else about my laziness and please fuck off again for a year in the meantime.

They will be penalized 5 points for going far past the deadline though.

New rule!

Not a rule, a ruling. Similar things have been done in the past with no change to the rule book.

So it only sets a precedent (a favorite word on this thread when it benefits one's argument) if you want it to. Got it.

Bonsai come you please come home darling?

"Bonsai come you please come home darling?"

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