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The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 12:15:49


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I'll keep this short and simple.

* When you are put on vacations, there's no list saying what breaks a vacation and what allows a vacation. So I don't know if accepting surrenders or joining tournaments that I would like to play in after my vacations will either keep my vacation or not. So there is no material even elaborating on this topic and you simply have to rely on past player's experience of when they get pissed off that their vacation is broke because the game doesn't explain this. The continuous confusion when players are unsure is so needless.

* Player's have a habit on WarZone. They think.. they put in moves... they verify there moves.. They commit. Once you verify, it's the equivalent of a green light to a formula car and you press that commit button. So in vacation mode, you have to make sure not to fall for that elusive green light because for some dumbass reason there's no pre-warning message that this commit button will break your vacation. In fact, there's never a prewarning for anything that breaks your vacation so instead, you lose 1 of your 5 vacations as a free player unfairly. Just put in a bloody pre-warning message... Don't fuck up people's life schedules for missing that vacation for a game. Do you want us to boot instead and piss off every player in the game?

* This wouldn't be a problem if the vacation system was 5 x 10 way. The way once you create a vacation, you get the 10 days off and that's it. It's 5 blocks. So when you are a vacation, there's a high value on not to lose the blocks which is so easily done in this game.

I'm not asking for a re-evaluation of how vacations are done. I'm simply asking to add a list of things that breaks the vacation and add a few pre-warnings to prevent innocent mistakes.

Because of an innocent mistake that I made, I have the consequence of dealing with games that are high-level thinking when I have more high-level thinking college exams. If a player is willing to put the time to a game and then have a poorly designed vacation system that is liable to failure when he/she needs that Vacation the most in their personal schedules, I think that's a big fuck off to the player.

Of course, the blame can't go purely to the vacation system. there is, of course, human error and I acknowledge that buy by christ, the vacation systems can be a lot better.

Players deserve better than this crap.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 12:19:24


Viking1007
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Totally agreed. I took a vacation about 2 months ago and had no idea you couldn't join tournaments, accept surrenders. Took me off vacation. Well, that was 1 vacation wasted
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 13:02:33


Bonsai 
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I thought there used to be a warning, something like "This action will break your vacation, do you want to continue?"
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 13:03:54


Viking1007
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It says AFTER you do it, "This action has ended your vacation"
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 13:09:06


GeniusJKlopp
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Question, if you break your vacation anyhow, and you are past boot time in games, how do you not get booted?
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 13:11:27


Viking1007
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You get 1 hour to take all your turns
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 14:01:33


THE AWESOME OTTERYCAT 
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I totally agree with you, due too there being no warning and no guidelines on the matter I accidentally wasted 2 out of 5 of my vacations...
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 14:02:12

Kris
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This is strange... I've taken vacation once. At the end of it I've entered orders for each game and, when I clicked "Commit", there was a warning message. It said that this action will break the vacation and it asked if I'm sure to do it. I was playing in a web browser (UJS), maybe its different on Apps?
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 14:16:09


Sakata Gintoki
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When you are put on vacations, there's no list saying what breaks a vacation and what allows a vacation. So I don't know if accepting surrenders or joining tournaments that I would like to play in after my vacations will either keep my vacation or not.

If you play in a game, your vacation will automatically be scheduled to turn off in one hour. You can surrender, but can't accept surrender I guess.

So in vacation mode, you have to make sure not to fall for that elusive green light because for some dumbass reason there's no pre-warning message that this commit button will break your vacation. In fact, there's never a prewarning for anything that breaks your vacation so instead, you lose 1 of your 5 vacations as a free player unfairly. Just put in a bloody pre-warning message...

This is strange... I've taken vacation once. At the end of it I've entered orders for each game and, when I clicked "Commit", there was a warning message. It said that this action will break the vacation and it asked if I'm sure to do it. I was playing in a web browser (UJS), maybe its different on Apps?

You get a warning always in all modes.

Question, if you break your vacation anyhow, and you are past boot time in games, how do you not get booted?

There is 1 hour time given after breaking the vacation (before its end time).

Maybe moderator(s) or Fizzer has to update the wiki.
https://www.warzone.com/wiki/Vacation

I think many players generally don't know about these things and Wiki is the first place to search for those; Global chat/WZ discord/PM to Fizzer is another way, if wiki content isn't enough/clear.

Edited 7/17/2019 14:17:30
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 15:37:57

Fizzer 
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Vacations are designed for situations where you have no internet connection and therefore aren't able to take your turns in multi-day games. The way to use it is simple, just make sure you activate your vacation right before leaving. Then you never have to worry about accidentally doing something that breaks it.

I understand that some people abuse the vacation feature by using it even when they're still able to access the game, and therefore have a frustrating experience as they don't know what will break it and what won't. The reason it's frustrating is because you're using the feature in a way it wasn't intended to be used. If you're able to access the game, you should also be able to take your turns in all your games, therefore you don't need to be on vacation.

The fix for this is simple: ANY access of the game at all ends the vacation. Open the site at all? Open the app with an activate internet connection? Boom, clearly you're able to play, vacation over. Then there's no ambiguity about how the feature should work and no need for complex lists.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 15:38:09


Cloud Strife
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Intended use of vacations :
  • log out, have up to 10 days free of "high-level thinking", come back, carry on.

Common use of vacations by strat community (elitist pricks) :
  • slowing the tournaments down
  • stalling the ladders
  • using the extra time for "high-level thinking"
  • chaining vacations for the whole summer thus preventing the match of the year on 3v3 ladder ever happening in a spectacularly anticlimactic fashion, y'know, like Sephiroth once did
  • boot/AI prevention


So, I think it's not a problem for most players really.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 15:40:17


Master Cowboy 
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I can attest that I don't get a warning that I'm gonna break my vacation, but an alert I have broken my vacation. I have accidentally broke my vacation 3 times this year, and some last year. Never got a warning.

This goes for Unity, flash and UJS.

@Fizzer, it is still frustrating, for instance I went on vacation in June, and had an internet connection. I could access my games, but i don't want to spend my time worrying about booting on warzone.
On one of the vacations I broke earlier this season, I took the vacation 3 days early because I knew I would need it, but when there's really no reason not to use the full 10 days, I will set it early. Well I forgot I set it and accidentally broke it.

I would appreciate if rather than giving 5 vacations with 50 days, you just give 50 days of vacation you can use, I'm more inclined not to take the full 10 days, and if I accidentally break it, i don't end up costing myself vacations.

Edited 7/17/2019 15:46:44
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 16:06:50


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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I agree to the community. currently vacations are not very user-friendly. warning about does my action break vacation would be enough as for me.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 16:07:22


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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... phew...
this didnt break my vacation
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 16:28:56


rakleader 
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Totally agreed. I took a vacation about 2 months ago and had no idea you couldn't join tournaments, accept surrenders. Took me off vacation. Well, that was 1 vacation wasted


Unless something changed recently, joining a tournament doesn't end your vacation.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 16:45:08


Jefferspin 
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Don't listen to the haters.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 16:45:40


Master Cowboy 
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The only thing that breaks vacations is committing in games.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 19:15:48


Bonsai 
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The fix for this is simple: ANY access of the game at all ends the vacation. Open the site at all? Open the app with an activate internet connection? Boom, clearly you're able to play, vacation over. Then there's no ambiguity about how the feature should work and no need for complex lists.


That would be a really poor change for people having to coordinate team games.

Also, it takes the pressure off of booting to set moves ahead of breaking the vacation so you can play in virtually all of your games when it's broken (especially if you have a lot of games. I know, you get an hour, but still). The point is that people accidentally hit commit and break it sooner than they intend to.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 20:13:41


Deadman 
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chaining vacations for the whole summer thus preventing the match of the year on 3v3 ladder ever happening in a spectacularly anticlimactic fashion, y'know, like Sephiroth once did

Haha.. Never did like that damned Italian.
The Vacation System is frustrating me: 7/17/2019 20:22:57


Min34 
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I would appreciate if rather than giving 5 vacations with 50 days, you just give 50 days of vacation you can use

This was proposed like 6 years ago then brought up again a few years ago and it still isnt here. I agree it would be a massive improvement but I wouldnt get your hopes up on it happening :P
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