New Sp levels for us Sp enthusiasts! Kinda bummed that the new levels seem to have been added randomly and not by difficulty!

Hope we will soon have the full lists of Sp levels on the all built in link.


thoughts about the new update?

I wonder, does anyone know how the levels were chosen? Was it based on by the number of likes, or are they new levels entirely?

they arent new levels (one of my levels is in there wich is rly old tho) but apparently levels liked by the community.. hoowever that 1 level that came from me i actually dislike and am not "proud" of so im not sure if the "levels liked by the community" is true or if it was only been done randomly.

Also the supposedly hard levels in the end of the list i never heard of so they cant be that hard. i kinda hoped that fizzer would add one of lepanto's / muli's or mine most difficult level

Aklog Island (one of my ones) made it :)

also if they are based off of likes than thats a bad system. the likes is rly only a different way to say how many people beaten it. people ever only like a scenario if they beat it. such all hard ones dont get any likes.

Current SP stats.

Total number of levels: 8,501
Total attempts: 2,679,699
Average attempts: 315
Total likes: 119,998
Average likes: 14
Total creators: 1,638
Total record holders: 1,933

Picking new levels is not that easy I guess. First, most played means that a lot of players have already played the level and it's likely too easy? Same issue if you go by likes. Most difficult and you have quite a lot of levels with bad luck design or simply too hard for the official SP campaign.

I would guess that Fizzer put some filters in place, then picked the levels. (Say, 5%+ win rate, 500+ plays, sort by most difficult?) He perhaps played with the filter too, using 10/11/12 % win rate. Other factors might be to limit the repeated use of a same map etc.
Last level https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1110645
2nd to last https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1137451
3rd to last https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1191595
4th to last https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1193016

yeah thats probably how he did it but then he shouldnt say "the best" but how he decided wich to add.

altogether "best" shouldnt be used anyway as everyone has a diff view on that. imo the best level is a level that is very hard and requires only little to no luck and is fairly short / small.

this is the reason why imo the best level (i did) is Stalemate #2.
Its definetly not the hardest level i did but is prob one of the uniques levels out there because its literally a Stalemate if you would play against a real Person.

Edited 5/9/2019 21:29:54

Link to the game?

If you check the original levels you will see that the list seems rather random..

i mean you have many levels that are just random parts of a series or levels like these that have super high winrates:

auto win %
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1042089

auto win %
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=991848

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=990349

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1118488


you got levels with random starts that are plain and simple FFA

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1081600

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1060834



you got levels that are complaining about the general trend of players posting way too many 90%+ levels ...

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1166406



and i could go on with many other levels.

Honestly with so many good levels and creators around I was not too surprised that not a single level of mine was picked, but not getting picked over these levels is kinda lame!

still i like the new addition! just hope the list might get tweaked a bit :)

yea the addition is good. but what levels ended up getting added is just....

Edit: I dont get all together why these levels have been added shouldnt the official SP pool be challenging (from the levels that have been aded. not the original levels wich purpose is teaching)? seems more like a walk in the park. 1 boring level after another. Cant even brag to other players that you got further then them as there arent any levels that actually challenge you rly hard.

Edited 5/9/2019 22:30:56

And since we complain, we should also propose something if we want to better things! :)These are some levels I find interesting that would make for some good end of the list (higher difficulty) levels. Most are between 5-15%, so hard but doable!

Considering these are levels that are supposed to be scenario's that you have to master in order to get a gold star, i tend to pick custom made scenario that don't have random picks.

pretty long, but very nice concept
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=884252


a level you can play several times and always fine new ways to win faster
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1194506


great map with replayabilty factor since there are 3 winning startegies + made by me :)
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1028927


scenario made by the map maker. The map alone deservers a spot on the list!
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1002327


non standard settings, doable with a bit of strategy
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer?Level=1146131

random start, but it's all about strategy!
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1074895

nice ror scenario
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer?Level=937228

map is nice, a bit of a non conventional scenario
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=964527

hard but short level, that once can restart easily.
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1059946

Edited 5/9/2019 23:02:14

This single player thing is interesting.

I think, it's biggest advantage that you can play in your own pace.
I mean the AI never sleep and can wait forever for you :)
While if you play multiplayer, your opponent is not so flexible (this is why boot times)

In the other hand, the AI is still like a Zombie, referring to the AI skills.
This is why my favorite single player level is a Walking Dead scenario :)

Nevertheless, I have an idea.
A single player mode where you can play with humans :D
There would be a (or more) group of players, who choose an AI name for themselves, and always if a player choose this AI in a single player game, one of these players would play as an AI :)
Still not an instant reaction compared with the real AI (and need internet connection for this), but not a simple multiplayer game neither. It is somewhere between the two. The player who play this "single player" scenario still has no boot time, and got relative quick respond from the human AI (although if enough big the group, can be very quick human AI response time!). And this would mean not a zombie level AI, but a very high one (if there are only elite players in the AI group) :D

I would play against this "AI" for sure ;)

I dont rly get your Idea. This would never work like that and rather just scream for trolls. it would also kill a lot of SP scenarios as the "AI" has some predictability wich makes certain scenarios even possible. With a human "AI" player all my levels (except the beginner challenge levvels) would be litterally impossible to beat. The same goes for probably most of Lepantos and Mulis ones.
Aswell when i want to upload a scenario i dont want to wait for a human to play me. For that i go to MP. But when i Play the AI than as usual its very easy to create impossible scenarios.

Overall i dislike that idea a lot. However i would like it when there were to make Coop scenario so 2 players in the same team vs the AI.

I think what Ekstone actually wants is different AI's. If a level maker could pick the AI, then you would mix things up a bit and it would not feel as predictable. For example having both Prod 1.0 , Prod 2.0 and Wunderwaffe all in one game, each playing as a different AI

No-no, you misunderstood my Hunglish, sorry.
All the present single player scenarios and all the current multiplayer things would stay the same.
This would be a brand new game mode where we could combine the advantages from SP and MP mode!

I mean, many players don't like to play multiplayer games because the boot times and the long wait for the opponent's move.
Playing SP mode you play absolutely in your pace without waiting nor booting. But against a zombie level AI :|
Replacing AI with a group of Humans would be fun for both sides (for the SP players and the human AI players too imo)
When I wrote my idea, I thought on strategic templates mainly (but the human AI groups can decide which templates they will play).

And this is only a very raw idea, nothing more ;)

You can play against AIs in multiplayer if that’s what you’re asking, as long as there’s atleast 2 humans.

Well, after trying some of the new levels, I have to conclude that a lot of them are hardly playable or of very poor condition. Looks like Fizzer never tested them, just picked by some system. Levels even contain grammar mistakes, like country "japam"...

yes sadly. this could have been a rly good update if fizzer would have asked the community. but that could be sort of difficult because i dont think that a lot (if anyone) who mostly (or only) plays SP knows about forums let alone looks at them.

Well, after trying some of the new levels, I have to conclude that a lot of them are hardly playable or of very poor condition. Looks like Fizzer never tested them, just picked by some system. Levels even contain grammar mistakes, like country "japam"...

I agree. Also too many levels that you can use autopilot, win easily and get a golden star.


It's a real shame, cause there are many good levels out there!

well i dont know any good levels that are like "hard" but not "Nightmare Difficulty" (atleast for the people who play SP mostly)

I was excited to see a lot of new SP scenarios come up in the play section, but unfortunately I'm very disappointed.

When I first started playing, the SP missions were kind of increasing in difficulty and I had the feeling thoughts had been put into what missions should be available and how progressions should be between them. And also they are very well build.

These new one seem random and completely out of order. There seem to be no progression and I find a quite a number of them of such a poor quality that they should not bee there.

Also progression through the missions gave XP and level progression. These new ones don't.

I feel like this update has ruined something that could have been good.

When I first started playing, the SP missions were kind of increasing in difficulty and I had the feeling thoughts had been put into what missions should be available and how progressions should be between them. And also they are very well build.

These new one seem random and completely out of order. There seem to be no progression and I find a quite a number of them of such a poor quality that they should not bee there.

Exactly my thoughts! You don't feel any progression, just a long grind!

This level is bad when trying to earn a gold star, its dependant on luck 99 percent, if you will meet AIs under 21 turns, and map is huge. Kinda crappy but ok...
https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer?Level=1231031

Looks like the level list has been changed! Some pretty hard levels at the end! :)

Still some easy levels and some that require luck left, but all the new ones that have been added have fix starting spots so it should make it easier to get a golden star!

– All: Added new single-player levels, and tweaked some of the previously added ones. Thanks to Lepanto31 for level suggestions.

;)

Now i really need to go and finish all those levels i have to do in the campaign so I can see it :P

Edited 5/27/2019 11:11:14

I tried out some of the harder levels. While most of them are still pretty easy, there are few that will be a challenge if you want to get a golden star. (golden star turn requisite is original level record +4 turns)

For example these levels are all pretty hard if you are aiming for a gold star:


https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=848346

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1137974

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1217167

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1028927
4 wins out of 108 got 28 turns or lower

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1030856
5 wins out of 54 got 24 turns or lower

https://www.warzone.com/SinglePlayer/Level?ID=1194506

Edited 5/30/2019 21:28:08

Is there a single page listing new levels, where you can see statistics: wins, attempts, fastest win etc? There was such page for old levels, but it does not include new ones.

Is there a single page listing new levels, where you can see statistics: wins, attempts, fastest win etc? There was such page for old levels, but it does not include new ones.

I asked Fizzer for the same thing a couple weeks ago. Don't know if he is going to make one, but I do hope so!

Looks like levels are changing much faster than I beat them. And always some mess with previously beaten levels.