The community thanks you for your concern Rento

In the opening posting and spreadsheet everybody can see the schedule of the division.

So they aren't published 1d13h before the auto start. Everybody could have checked their invite since almost 2 weeks and joined without any delay already.

If someone isn't joining in time, it's all their responsibility and no one else.

Edited 2/12/2019 12:08:22

If someone isn't joining in time, it's all their responsibility and no one else.

+1
I completly agree with Edge here.

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I just asked for the tournaments for us viewers.

Clan managers can't see the non-join players, if they're not in tournament and don't have link. Checking players' last seen is a way, but still some players are active and haven't joined yet-so they may not have info on who joined and who haven't.

So, for a clan manager it is effectively 1d 13hr time to push the invited player to join/ to make a sub before tournament starts, if they've not asked the players for the tournament links on/after creation date.

Clan leaders weren't invited though so they had no way to check if everyone joined, apart from messaging every single member concerned.

It's A so I guess it will work out in the end. But hypothetically, if GOA doesn't join in time, I don't think it would be fair to punish Stats in any way.

PS: everyone who thinks that I'm starting drama now should get a life.

Clan leaders weren't invited though so they had no way to check if everyone joined, apart from messaging every single member concerned.

It's A so I guess it will work out in the end. But hypothetically, if GOA doesn't join in time, I don't think it would be fair to punish Stats in any way.

The primary contact of Statisticians (Math Wolf) was invited to that tournament.

Oh wow, they are on auto-start.

This is true for all tournaments now after they where updated and the stuck tournament problem was fixed.

RT- tournaments will never start early, however MD tourneys start when they are full (hence extra slots is useful to stop this).

Edited 2/12/2019 13:12:15

Statisticians 3v3 Europe:

GOA out
Nick in

Substitution has been made.

MH is making two substitutions:

Cookies:
AI out
Digital in

EU:
Rogue NK out
AI in

Substitution has been made.

Two tournaments have started!

Let's have a look:

- 2v2 Final Earth

Entrants:

Lynx			Kicorse + Mostly Harmless
M'Hunters		AI + JeyKey
ONE!	 		Suschel + Milly
Outlaws		Edge + Terence Kill
WG			Super Smoove + Clivan
Statisticians	Math Wolf + Nauzhror
SNinja		Rakleader + Hergul

All these teams have one big thing in common:
I know the first player, but i don't know the second player (or barely). This goes for all teams, except for Statisticians.
So, making these predictions, i'll only base it off the knowledge i have on the player listed first.

Lynx: Kicorse is an outstanding player. I'd say he's the best player in this whole tournament. That's why i predict Lynx to be first on this one.

M'Hunters: AI has proven himself over the past two years to be a very consistent player. Looking at the competition, i'd say he has a lot to prove this season, but i believe he can. I'd put the M'Hunters team at a 4th place, but with the opportunity to take second.

ONE!: This might sound negative, but a team consisting of Suschel and Milly doesn't strike me as the best. I hope they prove me wrong, but so far i'd put them at 6th place.

Outlaws: Edge is a good player. A very good player when it comes to team-games too. A third place would be my guess. Not because Edge or Terence are bad; just because the other players are funnier to talk about. If Outlaws manage to get first here, i'll send them my MoD-underwear. Whether they like it or not

WG: Smoove may be a part of the Boot Brothers, but when he doesn't boot, he's an excellent team player. And by excellent, i mean outstanding. Try voice chatting for 15 minutes with him; you'll end up spending the better part of your day discussing that one pick in that one spot that could've done that one thing. An obvious second if Kicorse and Mostly Harmless don't mess up!

Statisticians: This is the team i know. I can't imagine them not having a fight over numbers and statistics, but together they should be able to achieve some good stuff. That being said, the competition is fierce. Math Wolf has proven to be a very consistent player, but not one to cause the biggest upsets. Nauzhror has caused a lot of upsets, but has a booting reputation; even if that sounds weird coming from me, at least he didn't get banned (looking at you min34). I'll place them at 5th for now but hope they surprise us.

SNinja: Rakleader. Right. He won the last seasonal. He performs great in tournaments, on the MDL, on the ladders. But then again, he's French. Obvious last place.


- 3v3 Europe
Entrants:

Lynx            	Hades + Dom365 + Krunx
M'Hunters        	AI + Georgie + AJ Chiller
ONE!             	Beren + Tornado + Rheumakay
Outlaws        	Platinum + Stales78 + Bohun
WG            	Super Smoove + ChrisCMU + Great Expanse
Statisticians    	Math Wolf + Nick + BMT
SNinja        	Rakleader + Waddles + banner

This is where it gets interesting: 3v3's are where you can win or lose a lot of points. Let's have a closer look; these are my thoughts:


Lynx: Hades comes out of retirement, Dom365 is back and the recently promoted Krunx makes an entry. I'm sorry to say i have low confidence in this team. Apart from Krunx they seem like risky players to put together on 3v3 europe. But to each their own. In my book they're finishing 4th.

M'Hunters: With a last-minute substitution, we get the team of AI, georgie and AJ Chiller. While we know georgie has his trashtalk ready, i doubt georgie or AJ Chiller have their skills ready for this tournament. AI is a good 3v3 eu player, but does he have what it takes to carry his team to a good score? I predict them to finish 6th. Prove me wrong, guys.

ONE!: Beren returns once again to show his skill on 3v3 Europe. His two teammates aren't regarded as top players on the template, so this one's hard to predict. Carrying a team is hard, but maybe these two teammates are the new EU-stars we just didn't hear about. A neutral third place is where i put them.

Outlaws: Platinum retired, Stales is a pretty unknown player and the rumors go Bohun doesn't speak English and has yet to play a single game on 3v3 EU. Given that Platinum isn't a star player, nor a good player, nor a decent player, nor a player to reckon with, nor a non-boot risk, nor a player, i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and put them at last place: 7th.

WG: Smoove, Chris and GE on 3v3 Europe. I like at least one player on that team. As Smoove is all about communication, i have no other choice than to put this team as first. Though ONE! could show them some tough love, as well as Lynx, Smoove has proven himself multiple times on the template he's an expert on. At least it's not 3v3 GL ;)

Statisticians: Math Wolf is as consistent as a mathematical constant on 3v3 EU. Not the biggest upsets, no big losses. His teammates aren't as famous in the community, but let's hope the three statisticians can cause some mayhem. With an early substitution, their credibility slightly lowers, but that doesn't mean they pose a real threat to the teams that are predicted to finish high and dry. I'll say fifth place for now, but i hope it's higher!

SNinja: Again the Frenchie Rakleader makes his way onto the scene. This time though, he's with Waddles and Banner. To be fair, i don't know Banner, but Rak and Waddles like 3v3 europe as far as i remember and they were both good at it. That being said, Rak's French. But to show SNinja some love, i predict them to finish 2nd.


Please note that all this is based on pure facts and scientific evidence.

Edited 2/13/2019 00:13:19

A quick question.

Is that really allowed what MH did? AI was fielded in 3 slots officially to the deadline and then got subbed out of 1 slot to play in another, essentially 4th slot?

Since the substitutions do count against the limit i would expect that it can only be viewed as that player is playing in a 4th slot, which wouldn't be allowed.

It would be good to clarify that.

Edited 2/13/2019 06:21:53

Given that Platinum isn't a star player, nor a good player, nor a decent player, nor a player to reckon with, nor a non-boot risk, nor a player, i'll give them the benefit of the doubt and put them at last place: 7th.

This was just great :D

@Edge: To be honest, I have no idea if it is allowed, but from a "moral" point of view it doesn't feel wrong so I didn't recheck the rules neither did Farah correct me.

Edited 2/13/2019 08:09:18

Morally to me neither. I think it's contradictory to the substitution limit through, so i guess either it does count against the sub limit and then it would be the 4th slot or subs doesn't count before the tournament started so everyone could make as much changes prior to the tournament starts, although that would make a deadline to submit a lineup useless if clans could just switch out players as much as they want.

So alltogether i think if it counts against the sub limit it only makes sense that it counts as an extra slot. In the end that's a clan mistake than to field players that need to be switched out again. It happened to some clans, including Outlaws. That's misorganisation from the clans site and i do think these clans should be somehow punished for that.

In this situation i would just reverse the subs, restart the tournament (since it should have started normally in about 13-14 hours) and put in another player from MH.

Or we indeed doesn't count any sub until a tournament starts, although that would set a bad precedent for the competition in my opinion, due to the problem i stated earlier. Nobody could care about the original deadline and want try to get a look on others lineups first.

Edited 2/13/2019 08:29:16

Well, we used two substitutions out of 6 (?) possible, so you can't change players as much as you want after submitting a lineup and before the tournament start, right?

In terms of misorganisation, Rogue disappeared somehow without saying a word. I think he isn't a guy who is doing that, especially because he was our primary contact, but that's another topic.

Edited 2/13/2019 08:49:25

That's what i meant. It doesn't make sense to count it as a used sub but not as a used slot for the player. So either don't count it as a sub, which would set a bad precedent or you count it as a new slot as well, which again would put u over the 3 slot limit.

I checked the rules now.
Under substitution it's stated, that both players will use up a slot playing this tournament. In the lineup section it's stated that all clans needs to submit their lineups to fill all slots. The last statement of the lineup section states, that Qualifier Clans are allowed to make subs before the Stage 2 without counting against the slot limit. That means Qualifier Clans aren't allowed to sub in players for free before Stage 1. It only makes sense that the same applies to all clans at the start of the season. Bringing me back to the first sentence. A substitution uses up a slot for each player.

I think I am not the only one to hope that Edge will eventually come with something like this :

"Nah kidding. I was just playing the caricature of myself to entertain the community. I wouldn't like to create a drama out of nothing by sticking to the letter of the law.

WZ in general and CL specifically should remain a space of fun and strategy; games and events should be won on the board, so we should try to mitigate as much as possible the impact of boots and real life incidents. When the legitimacy of a rule is debatable, I have no problem with amending it, especially if sticking to it would lead to a bigger workload for the organizers (recreation of a tournament, etc.)

Plus I don't want to put the organizer in an uncomfortable conflict of interests with regards to his clan. Let's try to keep the process fluid and fight only the really worthy battles.."
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If we're going to nitpick over this rule, then yes: AI has been put over his sub limit. However, he's played 0 games in his slot and won't ever play a game in that slot. Even though that still technically counts as a sub, I'm hoping we can just agree that while it's technically against the rules, absolutely no harm has been done. If you're going to go and make me recreate the tournament, mass mail everyone again etc., you can. But please don't.

Edited 2/13/2019 10:22:04