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Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 1/21/2019 14:59:10


ChrisCMU 
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OK so not impossible, I just don't think you could play the format we have RT, even if you spaced it out a ton. Someone would need to be creative.

What if instead of a set team per template (and subbing, etc), you have a game limit per player? So the RT matchups would be all scheduled (like motd did for start times on MD games). Then whoever is available for the clan at that time can play. But, you can't exceed a total game limit. You may not have the same 3 people play more than 1 of the EU games, for example.

It would be cool because people would get to play templates they normally don't, and also test depth in a way we have not seen before.

The admin of it would need to be pretty detailed (to track total games per player as you go), but it would be a very interesting competition with less cheating I think.

Edited 1/21/2019 15:00:51
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 1/21/2019 19:10:52


Kenny • apex 
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Yes the format would have to change a bit, but like I said don't just jump straight into the deep end, try some small events first and get used to it.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 1/22/2019 02:26:45


PhucilliJerry
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A clan line-up couldn't be used, but shouldn't something like the real-time ladder work? I'm no programmer but couldn't it be set up so people from the same clan would never play each other and once two players have encountered each other, they won't again like the real time ladder sets a time period until the next possible match?

Players probably won't like not knowing what template they're going to play, but if cheating is an issue and people are worried about collusion between associated clans, this would come pretty close to solving it.

Or, would it be possible to set certain windows each day where a certain template would be played? So for 6 hours, template A is available, the next 6 hours, template B is available, etc etc etc And then rotate that every few days or something......

Team games may be tough, but like Kenny said, start with the 1v1 and see how it goes in the next clan league. May even reduce boots.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 1/22/2019 18:54:04


ChrisCMU 
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Well, I have been advocating for a clan ladder for years. that could be played RT. There would just need to be ways in the CLOT to avoid matchups between clan members.

You could still set a 'line up'. Basically, you have a ladder for each template. The players are assigned to ladders they want to play (or join themselves) and only get games on that particular ladder. The trick is just limiting the matchups.

That would be easy for Fizzer to do, I am sure of that. If he did that, all that is needed is an aggregation system (like motd does on MDL).

The downside to that is it isn't a RR, so you aren't getting 1 matchup with the team from every clan in your division. And in this case there is no promotion system either. I suppose you could assign clans a bucket (division) and not allow matchups outside that bucket. Then an admin would need to alter the buckets at some point (every 'season').

But, this would be a totally different 'league'/ladder. It would not replicate the current CL in a RT environment. To do that would require a ton of admin.

Edited 1/22/2019 19:00:06
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 1/23/2019 01:28:44


Kenny • apex 
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The way I would try is set the events date and time then give each player an event cap instead of attempting to maintain 1 team throughout a full RR tourney. The goal would be to try to maintain events happening every weekend around the same time. A couple things that would be worth discussing in that kind of format is fielding less teams for each league and whether C league down would be RT games. Personally I think RT wouldn't necessarily solve the problem of a clan basically dying in a season to boots. For example, a team that 'died' during the season would just miss the events and not field a team in an RT setting just as they wouldn't swap players out in an MD setting using CLOTs. Also would absolutely prefer if events got broadcasted by WGL, but I can't personally do that.

If you want I could organize a mini-tournament on the format I'm talking about if you want to see how it would work. Just need a couple interested clans with like 4-5 players.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/9/2019 12:17:32

[WG] Reza 
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Change log and updated case information updated in main post
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/12/2019 17:12:21


Edge
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    UPDATE: Clan League 9

  • Case: The Juggernauts Clan
    Incident: Several members of the clan participated in or had knowledge of rules being broken. Rikku (#1 Cata Cauda Fan) eventually went on to retire, but initially went on vacation and left his account credentials with members of his clan to continue playing his games. Rikku advised covert conduct in disguising profile flag changes. A coordinated effort was made through discord by dry-clean-only and Xenophon to handle Rikku's account; machine-washed bliss and Ikillu (Weaponised Autism) were brought in to help disguise the flag changes. Carlos created the chat and had knowledge of the incident as well as contributed to discussion regarding how to conceal the flag changes. Machine-washed bliss also shared his account details with Branislav which led to Branislav committing orders for Machine-washed-bliss in order to avoid being booted. Bugs Bunny (Severus Snape) received help from Xenophon and Rikku on picks in CL games.

    N.B. CL 9 rules had been updated to be notably explicit, and it is clear from discussions all those involved knew full well that they were breaking the rules. We decided to change some of the verdicts, due to some new informations in this case. The previous 4 slot reduction (ban in next season, 1 slot punishment following season) of dry-clean-only and Xenophon was reduced to a 3 slot reduction, which will be executed as a ban for CL 11. In the same time we increase the verdict for Rikku to the same 3 slot punishment, resulting in an immediate ban for CL 11, since we gained proof, that he did helped Bugs Bunny (Severus Snape) as well in his Phobia CL games. Due to this information we decided, that it's not possible to maintain the claim that dry-clean-only and Xenophon acted as the main organizers in this case, resulting in a reduced verdict for them. In the same time we also got the information, that Weatherman wasn't aware of the case until the former CL organizers contacted TJC about this case. Therefore we're going to withdraw his warning.

    Verdict:
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 09:25:44

Zev 
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congratulation Masters!!
you are the best clan, and you cheat anyway! it's disappointing
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 10:12:14


master of desaster 
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You're french but you're still talking. Equally disappointing
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 11:49:05

Zev 
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haha that's all you find to say?
I have not said anything for a very long time except "congrats Master" when u won CL10
but you probably want to talk about the faith where I protested when the panel validated the takeover of "outlaw" on 101st!
in short, I speak when it seems unfair! whether you like it or not
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 11:52:09


Rufus 
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What?
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 13:46:08


master of desaster 
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I don't recall every time you said something, but what i said is that as a frenchie you'd be better off staying silent no matter the topic
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 14:01:12


Math Wolf 
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mod, triggered much?
I don't see what his nationality has to do with anything really and what you are trying to achieve with this and earlier remarks in thread and other threads.

I had great respect for you, both as a player and as a person, and it saddens me how you feel the need to keep posting these type of reactions in most discussions with respect to CL. You may want to consider that your own actions weren't objectively perfect and understand that other people with different values may not look upon them very positively. I fail to see how your recent input helps anyone, including yourself, to move on from this.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 14:11:03


Onoma94
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Ban him!
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 14:12:01


master of desaster 
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I thought it was just for the sake of having an argument so i followed up with some nonsense reasoning. Sorry for derailing that thread it won't happen again
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 17:17:49


Jefferspin 
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I thought making fun of the french was widely accepted here? Looks like I need to apologize to rak.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 17:37:14


Beren • apex 
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Never apologize to rak. He's a Harmonbot apologist.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 18:00:18


rakleader 
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You do what you have to do to survive.

I'll be accepting your apology on this thread, Jeff.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/16/2019 19:29:58


Timinator • apex 
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And i thought the only thing frenchman know is the best way to retreat...
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/17/2019 05:44:43


Aura Guardian 
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I've generally interpreted mod's comments as satirical, so I don't see much wrong with them.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/20/2019 18:27:48

Red Λrmy 
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    Clan League 11

    Case: NWO
    Incident: LeQuébécois_Benoit on behalf of NWO directly contacted TBest before the roster deadline, and it was confirmed for him that the account a player first used in CL 10 or later shall be the only account a player is using in Clan League. They therefore submitted a roster and lineup including Verbal Kint claiming this account would join NWO in due time, however, the account failed to join NWO and was NOT a member of that clan on the date of the submission deadline as the rules require.

    Tournament organisers improvised by inviting what they knew to be alt account (Keyser Soze) of Verbal Kint. This was done at the organisers' discretion, and thankfully saved this tournament being forfeit in it's entirety by NWO. That said, there is no obligation in the future for them to correct these sorts of mistakes, and so please do not expect it from the organisers, as you do risk forfeiting a tournament for failing to meet the roster/lineup deadlines.

    Verdict:
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/20/2019 18:53:18


Bonsai 
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The existing tournament will stand, with Verbal Kint playing under the alt account Keyser Soze.

N.B. The rule on alt accounts has not been circumvented; any further lineup changes or CL tournaments will still only be allowed to use Verbal Kint.


You are, of course, directly contradicting yourself. Just say "we're letting another rule slide for the good of the league" and everyone will be happy.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/20/2019 19:27:08

Red Λrmy 
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Sorry if it was unclear, the rule we're referring to there is the following:

"It is forbidden to use more then one account in Clan League. The account a player first used in CL 10 or later shall be the only account a player is using in Clan League."

That note is only to say that Verbal Kint is still the main account to be associated with Clan League, and you still cannot change accounts.

Edited 2/20/2019 19:34:57
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/20/2019 20:31:42


Farah♦ 
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You are, of course, directly contradicting yourself. Just say "we're letting another rule slide for the good of the league" and everyone will be happy.

You are, of course, whining immensely again. Just say "I will disappear for the better part of the year again" and everyone will be happy.
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/20/2019 20:38:29


Thanos 
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so is this still an announcement thread
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/20/2019 21:23:38

Meldarion
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It kinda turned into a "hating on the ethics panel and hating on the haters of the ethics panel with every now and then an announcement from the ethics panel to revive the hating" thread
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/20/2019 21:24:19


Thanos 
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perhaps none of these people are being ethical?
Clan League Ethics Committee Announcement thread: 2/20/2019 21:32:13


Cowboy 
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You are, of course, directly contradicting yourself. Just say "we're letting another rule slide for the good of the league" and everyone will be happy.


It's just a game, no need to take things with such a bad attitude.
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