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I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 11:35:53


Phakh Gokhn 
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I recently joined a tournament and went to his team. He makes a lot free coin tournaments, has many won tournaments and good stats and had no bad reputation to my knowledge. Compared to other players who had joined the tournament at that point, Celtifringe seemed like the best team mate to have. Unfortunately Celtifringe didn't meet my expectations and showed disappointing behavior. Celtifringe has done the following:

1. Showed poor communication in team chat.
2. Surrendered in 3 games without my consent. In one of the games it was only turn 2 and in the other game we were in a winning position.

Proof:

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15546169
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15546167
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15588678

I assume that Celtifringe quit after me questioning his ability to play well. In my opinion, I did it in a calm manner and was hoping to start a conversation with him which would turn into strategy discussion. I initially believed that Celtifringe would be clever enough to see my plan and if he didn't see it well, he would ask for clarification (he has played in a lot of games with 8 neutrals to my knowledge). I don't claim to be very good player, I'm most likely far from it, but Celtifringes moves didn't exactly appear quality play material to me. In my opinion if he found any of my actions unacceptable, he should have said that, I would have listened to his complaints and acted differently in games to come since that point.

Cetifringe did not break any rules and I don't think he should be blacklisted for his behavior. I believe that we now know each other better and we'll think twice before joining each other's team next time around. I don't claim that my behavior was correct or that Celtrifinge's actions were unjustified. I also hold no grudges against him and believe he's a nice person to most people that he meets. Celtifringe's behavior came out as a surprise to me and I believe it might look surprising to more players. I hope that making this post might help to avoid bad team game experiences for some of this thread readers.

Thank you for the time spent reading my thread,
Sincerely,
Phakh Gokhn
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I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 13:42:41


Onoma94
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2 v 2 ladder with celticfringe:
Not Ranked with a rating of 0. Best rating ever: 1023, best rank ever: 66th


66th on 2v2 ladder (where there are usually about... 70 teams ranked) is truly a sign of a great player. Lmao.
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I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 14:56:45


master of desaster 
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You are both CATS so what?
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 15:18:48


DanWL 
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Perhaps you should try contributing as much as he does to the community before you post this trash.

You've clearly never heard of WTS (Warlight training school) then otherwise you'd know how much he's contributed.

It is really annoying when your in a team game and no one communicates.
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I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 15:42:53


TBest 
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Em, so the way i see it,

1. You enter teammates bonus without communicating your planned path.
2. You did not communicate your grand plan to your teammate (let’s take Europe is not specific enough. Also state how taht is to be done)
3. You insult your teammate for not reading your mind
4. You get upset when the teammate doesn’t want to play other games with you.

What i am getting at is that you both failed at communicating well. Also keep in mind that you two probably have different motives. You play for the free coins, while Celtefridge plays for fun. So insulting him got you excately what you could expect.

EDIT: There is no need for consent to surrender. Besides, as per your writing that was done as a reaction to your insults. So you would never consent anyway. Why bother asking?

Also... yeah practice the way you start strategic discussions. Protip, don’t start with insults. Then continue with insults.

Btw, why did you make this thread? On one hand you ask nobody to team with Celt, but then you go out of your way at the end to tell us that Celt is a cool dude? An pice of advice to ppl. Making a forum theread atakking someone will in 99% of the cases make you appere as the bad guy.

Edited 5/9/2018 15:57:54
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I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 17:13:58


Phakh Gokhn 
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You enter teammates bonus without communicating your planned path.

Celtifringe replied "k", after that, once I realized he didn't quite imagine the path of taking Europe, I made some clarifications. The map has 0 army stand guard and 8 army neutrals, so it makes sense to cooperate to take down the bonus.

You insult your teammate for not reading your mind

Name me the part where I insulted him. I acted the way how I think should be acted upon everyone, including myself. If my moves are wrong, I need to be called out and I need to be thankful for being corrected. Tournaments are serious business, and that was a competitive tournament.

You get upset when the teammate doesn’t want to play other games with you.

I'm not angry. Anger is not what solves problems. Celtifringe has the right to do what he wants to do. Before joining team, I had different opinion about him. It was a wrong opinion and I'm glad that now I learnt more about it. If I knew it in advance, I wouldn't have joined his team. I think there are more players similar to me who might consider playing with the Celtifringe in the future, so I want to save them time and help avoid ruined tournaments.

There is no need for consent to surrender.

Yes, but it's within all team players interests to get as much as possible fun/success from their games. Celtifringe was having a problem with me and he didn't make it clear. Contributing to team is important to me, I can reword my statements to make them more acceptable to the team mate. I want that my team would perform well, so I will be calling out bad moves, and the game I showed as example I did it in a respectable manner (according to my opinion). If Celtifringe tells me his preferred way of communication, I will gladly use it. It's within my upmost interest that things in my teams go well, including both playing quality and team mate relations.

On one hand you ask nobody to team with Celt, but then you go out of your way at the end to tell us that Celt is a cool dude?

Firstly I didn't ask to not play with Celtifringe, I simply let you know that he might sometimes react emotionally, which in my opinion is not regarded well by players who want to play well in competitive environments. Secondly, one instance of bad behavior is not enough evidence of a person being bad. It could have simply been a misunderstanding and they need to be solved. Celtifringe as well could have been having a bad day and feel stressed. People who make free coin tournaments and probably much more (I rarely read forums, so don't know full list of Celtifringe's achievements, but I know he has done much more before) don't tend to be bad people. In all the instances up to listed point, Celtifringe was acting in a polite manner, always being friendly to the community. I have 0 evidence to believe that Celtifringe is a bad person, all the other facts speak of his good character.

You play for the free coins

There was no coins involved in said tournament.

Celtefridge plays for fun

In my opinion winning the game increases the amount of fun (in my opinion). At the time of talking I found nothing offensive in my comments and still don't find anything offensive in them. If I have to communicate with Celtifringe again, I will look for different methods to make my comments across, but if I communicate with anyone else, I will communicate exactly same way under similar situations, because I find nothing wrong in my comments. Getting offended is a choice, I don't want to enforce emotional weaklings to stay weak, I will say what I think should be said in no fear of someone getting offended over it. People always have an option to deal with what's being said to them and get stronger emotionally. You can't appeal to everyone, what one finds proper way of communication is an insult to another. I will leave people who don't like me alone and will stick to those who don't mind what I have to say. If I and a player who dislikes me get to the same team, I will still put my best effort to make team do well, because if I join a team it's my duty to help team perform well for duration of tournament/game. If my team mate wants to have fun, it means that I will look for ways to help my team mate have fun.

why did you make this thread?

So others players would know Celtifringe's and my behavior better. We are different kinds of players and don't suit everyone. Helping community to know what type of players we are is going to be helpful when choosing to what team to go and what not. For example, if I knew Celtifringe better, I wouldn't have joined his team and would worded my criticism differently if I ever have to talk to him.

Making a forum theread atakking someone will in 99% of the cases make you appere as the bad guy.

What you think is your business, not mine. If you want to consider me a bad guy, then have fun with it. My words are only as harmful/offensive as you make them to be. I did what I think had to be done, which in this case was telling community more about me and Celtifringe, so they could choose their teams in future games/tournaments accordingly. I regret nothing and am proud of my decisions. Regardless of how much hate I get for this thread, it was well worth it (in my opinion).

Edited 5/9/2018 17:22:47
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 17:52:41


Huitzilopochtli 
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cetlic has paid me 100$ so he's good in my book
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 17:57:39


Sakata Gintoki
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I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe:

Firstly I didn't ask to not play with Celtifringe

You troll yourself?

Edited 5/9/2018 18:01:04
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 18:13:03


ViralGoat 
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Not recommending and not asking are different things
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 18:23:27


Phakh Gokhn 
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I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe:

Firstly I didn't ask to not play with Celtifringe


Not recommending to join his team is not equal of asking not to join his team ("I don't recommend" does not equal "you shouldn't join"). There are all kinds of players playing Warzone, some of them are like me and would like to avoid playing Celtifringe, some are different and I'm sure there are people who will be even more interested to play with Celtifringe because of reading this thread.

I believe that we should follow facts when making decisions. I stated what I know about Celtifringe and left it to each individual reader to decide how they are going to react to it. Facts which I learned about Celtifringe today were good enough reason to decide for me to avoid his teams, because I don't like being in team in which players react the way Celtifringe does. My behavior and perception is unique to me and I don't represent other players' worldviews. Part of my recommendation is based upon my opinion, so it can only be valid to people who happen to share majority of my beliefs, which does not represent whole community and therefore I am in no position to ask a reader (Who can be basically anyone) to not play games with Celtifringe, because it's likely that the opposite is true to the reader and playing games with Celtifringe will be a positive for him. In my opinion when players are left the freedom to decide what they want (no telling that a player "has to act a certain way"), they tend to make better decisions.

Edited 5/9/2018 18:25:26
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 19:41:08


Benoît
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I don't understand your post. If you don't like him on your team, just blacklist him and move on. No need to make Celtifringe look bad like that, in particular considering the fact that he makes so many free coin tourneys for the WarZone's community.

Edited 5/9/2018 19:44:23
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 20:06:29


Phakh Gokhn 
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I don't see a need to blacklist him, I don't plan to join his team again and he has never joined my teams before. Plus this might have been the only time for Celtifringe to do something like this and in our potential future games things are likely to go much better.

Celtifringe behavior was a surprise to me, so I just wanted to inform community, that if you talk "harsh" (not sure what he finds acceptable and not) to Celtifringe, he might not let you know about it immediately and might surrender without a warning. Judging from his stats and contributions to Warzone community, players might overestimate him and get disappointed later.
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 20:16:18


Phakh Gokhn 
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https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=15546170

Seems like Certifringe wants to keep surrendering in all remaining games, which should be 14 more games to come.
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 21:19:12


TableTrivia 
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My contribution to this thread is this;

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=25250

Celtic Fringe Invited you to this tournament which was primarily a Celtica clan tournament.

Having never played on a team with Celtic Fringe I can't comment on his team work but I agree with most of your haters here. This post seems uncalled for.
This community doesn't take likely to unfounded Hate on respected players.
I don't recommend joining teams with Celtifringe: 5/9/2018 21:57:44


Phakh Gokhn 
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I joined his team to help him win the tournament. It was a great honor for me to be invited to said tournament. This means that I was ready to talk about potential mistakes both mine and Celtifringe's to make sure that we win most of games.

TableTrivia I got couple questions for you:
1. Did Celtifringe made the right decision not to voice his dislike of my speech?
2. Did Celtifringe made the correct decision to surrender in all of his games?
3. Now that I know Celtifringe's ways of communication and am ready to act differently, should he continue to surrender and not play any games?
4. Did Celtifringe show good teamwork in showed 1st message example chat (that is full conversation).
5. What was the proper thing for me to do after Celtifringe's surrender?
6. Should we avoid looking for flaws in respected players?
7. What is unfounded hate?
8. What do you know about this community? Do you know enough to speak in its name?
9. After reading this thread would you like to join celtifringe's team if it had no reserved spots for other players?

Edited 5/9/2018 21:58:31
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