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In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/21/2017 02:18:10


Abraxis 
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Here it is so far: https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=69693

Here is its reference video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXzW4nF7fU&t=287

This map will probably be huge, probably around 1000-1750 territories. It will look better later on, with a colored coastline and a sea. The timeframe for this is 4000 BC to 376 AD. The territory borders so far are also accurate to the countries at that time.

What do you guys think? Are you hyped?
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/21/2017 02:39:20


BUFFALO
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im proud of u son
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/22/2017 19:29:35


Abraxis 
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I may need help with this:

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How do I make Mesopotamia constantly switch between players, as in players conquer one another rapidly, but have places like Egypt remain unchanged? How do I show events like Alexander the Great conquering Persia, without it taking too long? I've been thinking about having the territories with rivers, lakes, or a coastline connect to its neighbors and the territory beyond, but I'm not sure about this. Any tips?

One more thing, that red circle is 15 x 15.
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/22/2017 20:09:41


BUFFALO
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make the territories very long and stringy so they have lot's of bordering territories. you could also have enclaves to create a bigger web of connections. that would encourage faster expansion in mesopotamia
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/27/2017 19:52:29


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Those large lakes in Iraq were created in 20th Century BTW, will they be removed?
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/27/2017 20:25:42


Abraxis 
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I will remove them, you're the one who's video I'm referencing to.

Progress so far:

The circle is 22 x 22, I'm starting to add modern day borders as well.

I've decided on the Mesopotamia borders problem, the fix will be to have all rivers and coastlines connect to 1 more territory outward, to show water transportation.

Should I add Arabia, or should it be a decoration as a vast desert?

Update: I made the lakes bonuses, I will make the lake's values 0, and they will show up as white. I'm also going to make this the entire history of the Middle East, which should be easy because I have a lot of territories.

One more thing: I underestimated the size of this map, it's currently at 2021 territories.

Edited 10/27/2017 20:39:17
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/27/2017 21:45:17


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Should I add Arabia, or should it be a decoration as a vast desert?
I'd have it as a decoration

will remove them, you're the one who's video I'm referencing to.
Nice! On top of that, this may be useful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nome_(Egypt)
And this is the source for that coastline in Sumer:



Edited 10/27/2017 21:48:52
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/27/2017 21:46:26


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Original map:

Edited 10/27/2017 21:46:40
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/28/2017 00:09:13


Abraxis 
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Thanks for the reply! I've already used the original map for making my general coastline and the historical Sumerian coastlines. I might add little "outposts" for Saudi Arabia's western coastline, to show that civilization actually extended down there. A question I'm having is how would I represent modern Saudi Arabia in territories if Arabia is just a decoration? I also need references to start making territory names.

One more thing: What happened to your Qing Dynasty map?

Edited 10/28/2017 00:28:30
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/28/2017 02:37:11


Zephyrum 
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Heads up on Arabia: I'd recommend you add the western coast (just the very coast) as territories, while keeping the inland out.

Mostly because Egypt is too safe of a region right now, and it's pretty dense in territories (and likely bonuses, as such). Arabia would add a minor early-game threat by having some sea routes there, perhaps.

Good progress so far, by the way.
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/28/2017 12:17:44


Abraxis 
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Like this?

In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/28/2017 14:00:40


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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If you want to include parts of Arabia, look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Assyria.png
See the place named Dumah?
Theese guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qedarite
Look under geographical scope.
Also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataeans#/media/File:NabateensRoutes.png

Edited 10/28/2017 14:01:58
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/28/2017 16:52:44


Zephyrum 
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Somewhere along these lines, but fill it up to 2-territories deep inland so you can actually add quick bonuses there, and fill down to the very bottom limit of the map to have a sea connection skipping the Sinai straight into Southern Egypt.

Basically, turning Arabia into some sort of counterpick for the Delta/Sinai region, as you could just take the Suez-ish area and lock yourself in Egypt for tons of income nobody else can touch. Giving this small area some dense but isolated bonuses will make it powerful for an early fight and giving it the sea connection will counter the defensiveness that Egypt has.
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/28/2017 17:19:12


Abraxis 
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I have an idea. Instead of having Arabia connect to Egypt, I'll have Canaan connect to the Egyptian Delta. It makes sense historically and strategically, because whoever conquers Canaan conquers Egypt. It will also force players to start in the Delta, like real Egypt.
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/28/2017 23:12:18


Abraxis 
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In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/28/2017 23:51:06


knyte 
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Aren't you limited to 1500 territories now?
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/29/2017 00:58:11

TBest 
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bonuses,

territories is 3200
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/29/2017 04:49:08


Zephyrum 
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Very nice, mildly hyped
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/29/2017 22:57:21


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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What happened to your Qing Dynasty map?
Do you mean the Tang Dynasty one? I haven't given up on that, I'm just making it in stages. I'll get back to it at some point.
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/30/2017 00:53:37


Abraxis 
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Any good links you guys could give me for territory names?
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/30/2017 16:21:52


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Good question. What era would they be from?
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/30/2017 23:40:57


Abraxis 
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4000 BC - 376 AD
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 10/31/2017 23:06:34


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In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 11/1/2017 23:25:58


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Yep, that's the one. D' Anville has created quite a few ancient maps, so it may be worth digging around for them to find territory names.
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 11/6/2017 03:07:43


BUFFALO
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holy shit you gave me a shout out on the map! thats dope man!
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 11/6/2017 11:16:55


Abraxis 
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So... can you guys help me out with the territory names of Eastern Egypt/Sinai? This map isn't progressing that much because of it.
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 11/6/2017 18:06:07


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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That may be difficult - most of the Sinai is just desert. Have you considered using numbers or something?
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 11/6/2017 19:46:28


Clint Eastwood 
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If modern names will do, you should check out Mapcarta.
https://mapcarta.com/Map
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 11/8/2017 11:42:54


Abraxis 
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Are you guys ok with the river/sea connections on the map?
In Progress: New Ancient Middle East Map!: 11/8/2017 20:55:06


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Yep, although would you consider making the sea connections curves?
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