Ahh, I misunderstood.

Still, the point remains. Alts can play, it just means that they will be stuck to that account.

Another question remains - if the number of clans participating drops as much as it looks like it will, what would be the preferred format? Shrink A&B to keep the qualifiers in tact, or to make one division out of C.

maybe we should make a list of all alt accounts in warlight.

I'll start, this is a relatively unknown alt of mine :

Fizzer

keep it simple:

"A player may only operate 1 account in a CL, and the account must be in the clan."(ChrisCMU)

so, you can only play for one clan in the actual CL, and you can't switch to another clan in the middle of the running CL.
if you are not the main account, you have to tell, what your main is. (for the fairness)

for another CL you can of course switch.


I hope i could explain my thoughts with my limited english-knowledge.

OK, that sounds fair Motd, thanks for clearing that up!

About clan switching: it's no problem to switch a clan. Just switching back to the original clan won't be allowed for a certain time

Thoughts on a transfer window

Fire ChrisCUM, that will improve clan league.

Why is there discussion on the clan name change thread about Lynx and 101st being in the same division?

IMO, thr clan league rules should not prevent that. It should only be in the business of determining what players can play for a particular clan. Let the promo system run as normal and if that means a clan doesn't have enough eligable players, that is on them to resolve.

Why is there discussion on the clan name change thread about Lynx and 101st being in the same division?

'cause someone quoted Fizzer's statement about a clan's name being its identity and TBest (jokingly?) suggested applying it to the Outlaws/101st situation. Under the agreement reached between 101st and Outlaws, when either clan is mentioned in any thread (or chat) members of both clans are obligated to drop by and mention that they're not salty about how things turned out and that what happened was good for both of them. The Lynx/101st discussion was an offshoot of that but only pops up in a relatively small group of comments.

If you try to move a conversation from one thread to another (that's been dead for over a month), the terrorists (usually) win.

Edited 11/8/2017 22:34:24

this may really not be an improvement idea, rather revolutionary change and i really don't expect to implement it anything soon, but i wonder why clan league isn't really works as league of clans. So, (basing on name of the competition) i would expect that clans compete with each other(like recent One vs Outlaws "battle") and final standing is build from results of such games.

@ Chris

I would rather have this discussion about brother/sister clans in CL here as well.

From my perspective we do need to talk about this problem. Clans like f.ex. M'Hunters asked multiple time in the past, why they can't field a 2nd team, when other clans field a brother/sister clan as "2nd" team.

That's a point that needs to be addressed. Brother and sister clans were born, due to the idea of splitting the "elite" from the "trainees". Other clans include both in one clan and shouldn't have a disadvantage for that system. So if there is a system which indicates, that a clan isn't absolutely free from the mother clan, f.ex. because the best players go to the mother clan if they reach certain standards, than u do need to talk about restrictments.

That could mean to exclude one of the clans completely from CL and view both clans as 1 overall clan system. But that could also mean to just remove certain rights for one of those clans. F.ex. by voting templates, or the ability to play in the same division.

I do see that there need to be talks about that topic, before we face those "problems" for the voting process f.ex. also just to offer equality, which could mean that in the end it maybe in the interest of all players and clans to allow all clans to fill a 2nd team as well. Either due to a brother/sister clan system which splits the "elite" from the "trainees" or a system that includes "elite" and "trainees" in one clan.

If there are other clans playing in CL currently who aren't independant from other clans, would it make any difference to clans who field 2nd teams?

Edited 11/9/2017 05:08:05

Is the 2nd team allowed only if they're under different clan tag? how many clans can/will field a 2nd team?

Seeing decline of many clans, I don't think allowing a 2nd team of a clan is a bad idea and it would be good for bigger clans. And can help more players to play CL compared to earlier without having to buy/use a different clan.

@edge

People will still complain regardless, as a clan such as us can easily field a second or a third team (hell even Lynx could at this point) and unless you say brother clans can't field multiple lineups which I'd argue is unfair to our players, they would say we have an unfair advantage. I can promise you 101st and Lynx has no interests in colluding to to give one an advantage over the other, nor do we allow our players to switch from Lynx to 101st to just play CL.

Lynx and 101st are to connected to be 100% independent from each other. 101st is the training clan and if players reach a certain level they join Lynx. That's a connected system. Players train together, the template taste will be more the same than between independent clans since it should be that both clans should play for more with each other than 2 other clans. Lynx recruits the best of 101st, so the clan 101st will never have a chance to be better than Lynx, so that's what i mean when i say 101st will never be 100% an independent clan. It's a training clan, basically a longer arm of Lynx.

Outlaws could also just put players who can't play for Outlaws into Potatoe Knights and let them play under that name in CL.

That's legit under the current rules but shouldn't be allowed, if other clans doesn't get the possibility to field a 2nd team.

I would even go that far and say that 2nd teams and training clans should be only allowed to play in an independent league to protect smaller clans, who suffer and would continue to suffer from the problem that training clans and 2nd teams (would) play together with the other clans in CL.

Thanks Cowboy, I think we will all just take your word for it and all be dandy with Lynx and 101st in the same group.

I'm sure if that does happen that any boots from 101st to Lynx will be accidental of course.

:)

I personally believe the Brother/Sister Clan discussion and the Alt discussion are two sides of the same problem: I, a currently mediocre player, have an alt in CORP while my main is in Outlaws. It is unlikely for me to be anything other than a team player in Outlaws, where as in CORP I could probably represent them in a 1v1 and a team game. However if I chose to play for CORP in CL10 I will not ever be able to represent Outlaws with my main unless I swap my accounts' placements. As these clans arent connected, it doesnt feel normal to do it, nor do I expect Outlaws to accept an alt of mine.

This is important to consider with 2nd teams/Brother and Sister Clans. If a player in f.ex Lynx is a good player but not strong enough to compete for Lynx then this would make it easy for said player to swap his main with an alt in 101st, as these clans are Connected and said player is probably in the servers these clans share and also in both the clan exclusive servers making the swap both smooth and somewhat normal. Thus he could represent 101st and help them, and once he becomes a better player simply swap back his accounts and represent Lynx. This gives the Mother clans and Brother/Sister clans a massive advantage towards lesser clans as it would allow them decent players from their Mother clan to represent the Brother/Sister Clan, and effectively have a stronger representation than what might actually be their real situation. It would also give the players that does this more experience compared to an equal player in a clan without a Brother/Sister Clan. This actually encourages players to sort of circumvent the rules regarding alts.

If we allowed 2nd teams (provided we keep allowing Brother/Sister Clans), perhaps in a separate CL system, this would encourage such players to stay in their clans and represent them even if they arent the best there and instead prevent Brother/Sister Clans a possible advantage towards lesser clans with fewer members.

You guys make it sound like you can switch however you like. In fact, if you change your clan you're playing for once, you can't play for the old one the season after (not sure for how many seasons exactly, but at least one)

2 seasons under the new rules

But if you have represented neither of the clans in the Clan League, and swap your accounts this means you can swap back any time you like? (excluding the season youre currently in, and of course: once you swap again you cant return to the clan you first represented)

If thats the case then its not a breaking of the alt rules, but it will still encourage lesser players to play for their Brother/Sister clan until they have reached a high enough level to ensure a place in the line up for the Mother clan. Whether this is ok or not is up to you, but imo I still think this would give Brother/Sister clans an unfair advantage towards the clans they compete with.

If this is ok, then almost all major clans should simply make a Brother/Sister Clan and have their aspiring players play for it, but thats no different than allowing the fielding of 2nd teams. The only real difference would then be a different name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

EDIT: I would say something, but I belive my standpoint has been made clear before. So I went for some light satire. Enjoy!

Edited 11/11/2017 18:20:13

Suggestion: Include 1 (or 2) real time tournaments in clan league. Probably should be 1v1. Games can be completed at any time, but give players 1 week after declaration of match to agree to a time to complete it. If they cannot agree, both players would be given a loss.

Reason: Provides new mechanic to clan. Favors players who are active. And given the length of the league, it should be no problem to complete a 1v1 real time style tournament.

Challenges with this idea: How would it be implemented into the CLOT? How would an rt game be determined as the official rt game? Would players be prompted to join the CLOT, sort of like the multi day ladder, to play such a game? This seems like it would be a lot to implement for the person who has to program. And, considering that Motd already has a lot on his plate, doesn't seem fairly realistic for the upcoming league (CL10). Perhaps it could be considered for CL11?