https://www.warlight.net/LadderGames?ID=0&&LadderTeamID=2374&Offset=100








Omniscient defeated Azazel (expired) 4277088 5/26/2013 08:54:19 Azazel: 0
[V.I.W]Instantdeath defeated Omniscient (expired) 4316522 5/25/2013 13:20:49 [V.I.W]Instantdeath: 0
Landsat 6 defeated Omniscient (expired) 4316775 5/25/2013 10:04:22 Landsat 6: 0
biggreen15 defeated Omniscient (expired) 4287117 5/25/2013 00:15:52 biggreen15: 0
Summer defeated Omniscient (expired) 4299304 5/25/2013 00:15:32 Summer: 0
Luxis • apex defeated Omniscient (expired) 4299302 5/24/2013 23:17:04 Luxis • apex: 0
Omniscient defeated Red (expired) 4265864 5/22/2013 08:07:02 Red: 1909
dreuj defeated Omniscient (expired) 4274104 5/21/2013 10:59:24 dreuj: 0
ultimaratio defeated Omniscient (expired) 4265863 5/21/2013 10:32:35 ultimaratio: 0
fatality defeated Omniscient (expired) 4265862 5/18/2013 17:59:22 fatality: 0
PureMind defeated Omniscient (expired) 4273588 5/16/2013 11:06:41 PureMind: 0
Odin defeated Omniscient (expired) 4259252 5/15/2013 17:55:06 Odin: 0
[WM] Anonymous defeated Omniscient (expired) 4272990 5/15/2013 15:50:25 [WM] Anonymous: 0
Omniscient defeated The General (expired) 4267869 5/15/2013 12:44:13 The General: 1892
giovanni.br defeated Omniscient (expired) 4256665 5/14/2013 02:06:16 giovanni.br: 0
Omniscient defeated Gutrbal (expired) 4250723 5/12/2013 13:55:07 Gutrbal: 0
Omniscient defeated MilitaryManiac (expired) 4252625 5/11/2013 23:33:11 MilitaryManiac: 0
Omniscient defeated monoditri (expired) 4236678 5/11/2013 02:39:18 monoditri: 0
negpue defeated Omniscient (expired) 4236681 5/10/2013 14:53:06 negpue: 0
grona • apex defeated Omniscient (expired) 4236044 5/7/2013 12:45:48 grona • apex: 0

6-14 start. That's some GG matchmaking right there.

Even after that it continued giving me dumb games.

Here's game 22:

professor dead piggy defeated Omniscient (expired) 4303051 5/28/2013 11:21:50 professor dead piggy: 0

I hated those matchups, I had no chance in most of them, I was a 1700-1800 rated player at best and was getting matched vs. people that'd beat me 90% of the time. They hated those matchups too, because they were completely lose-lose games for them.

Edited 9/11/2017 20:03:41

I don't think bayeselo is as big of an issue as you make it out to be.

It is, as every game is weighted equally and does not expire slowly, but with a cut.

What does that mean?

If games wouldn't expire:
A player joins the ladder and is a noob and loses to a player with a rating of 1000 elo. Now he improves and after 3 month, his true skill is about 2000 elo. But the loss against the player with 1000 elo points will always count and he needs to perform way better than 2000 elo to achieve an elo rating of 2000 elo.

That's why Fizzer implemented that games expire after 5 month. But that does only hide the problem. As you carry the loss 5 month with you, which lowers your rating.

In sum, this fucks up the complete rating system.

Further than that, the elo system does not start with a fixed rating. That's a very bad thing, if you can't make sure, that noone only does runs, as the system lacks information about the players and rates players without a loss way to high.

Ban ALTs would help a bit, but it does not solve the problem of players waiting 5 month for their games to expire and then doing a run and performing better.

All in all: This rating system causes the problem. And yes I agree, the matchmaking system is another weak spot of the ladder.

+1 Krunx about elo, something similar to what the MDL ladder uses could be cool.

However, I thought this thread was about rules not related to coding changes, so no point discussing something which has been in many many threads before.

plz delete my account because i am addicted to warlight and i have other things to do in my life. I cannot simply change my password because my account is linked to my facebook account.

I see solution for stalling players in either of these few rules/game mechanics:

1. Let Seasonal Ladder last 75 days, but after day 60, the game boot time shortens to 30 hours (enough to make moves in time)
2. All ladder games shortens to 30 hours boot time after turn 20.
3. Use banked times in ladders - 1 day boot time (or up to 36 hours) and 3 days initial banked time with 50% banked time return
4. After turn 20 all players must do their turns in 5 days total (this means RT for finish).

BTW, I am not sure about what rule #4 is about... can people have 2 accounts playing for the same team or not? I know there are many alts there, but, if alts play for the same team, it should not be violation of the rule. Playing for different teams would, though.

For #1, if someone switch from one account to another, it looks like they will have to wait 5 months to join Ladder under new account? What is the purpose of changing account, then?

For #1, if someone switch from one account to another, it looks like they will have to wait 5 months to join Ladder under new account? What is the purpose of changing account, then?

Some just do a run on 1 account and when that one is ruined for some reason they change to an alternate account to do the same till they have what they want or all their accounts still have games counting for the ladder.
That is mainly the reason for that rule.

These rules do not go far enough. Alts ought to be banned.




Additionally, the idea that everyone knows stalling when they see it is dangerous. When I asked Fizzer during one of his streams what constituted an offensive name, that was his reply. I then got into a large argument with Min, DanWL, and Styxie in the chat because they believe that Adolph Hitler is a perfectly acceptable account name.

I apologize, but apparently I still don't know acceptable usernames when I see them.

These rules do not go far enough. Alts ought to be banned.

Crazy talk, for one if someone wants to play on a different account it makes little difference if the games are expired on the other account. And it would kill activity and skill level on the 2v2 and especially the 3v3 ladder (which is currently pathetic).

Additionally, the idea that everyone knows stalling when they see it is dangerous. When I asked Fizzer during one of his streams what constituted an offensive name, that was his reply. I then got into a large argument with Min, DanWL, and Styxie in the chat because they believe that Adolph Hitler is a perfectly acceptable account name.

I apologize, but apparently I still don't know acceptable usernames when I see them.

It all comes down to subjectiveness, which is exactly why I hate that line of logic.

Sounds like a nice idea!
Maybe implement a rule that u may not join the seasonal after a period of time when it started(for example 2 weeks) so if u go on vacacion leaving the ladder u only can rejoin at the beginning and the player should be able to play his games intime even if he plays slow...

Alts needs to be encouraged. If in team games it is allowed to form different teams with alts, even with unexpired games, the same should be followed for 1v1 games too.

oh thanks for supporting me guys i was worried about my big losing streak there but yeah im lik 1600 at best on that map

https://www.warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=18387
https://www.warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=17331

Rules haven't been introduced yet, as far as I know.

games ongoing on 2 different accounts at the same time is something that is already against the rules i think, at least being ranked at the same time is and it seems like he might be switching it from time to time

has ongoing games on two accounts and has 20 unranked games on both accounts. he has either played with both as the same time or been joining the ladder to get games, then leaving it to join with the other account to get games.

Its clear that whatever he's doing is not what he should be doing.

I am not stating, that I am a fan of this practice, but one of the accounts you linked, currently does not partipate in the ladder.

Crazy talk, for one if someone wants to play on a different account it makes little difference if the games are expired on the other account. And it would kill activity and skill level on the 2v2 and especially the 3v3 ladder (which is currently pathetic).

That's why a new feature should (and i'm sure will eventually) be implemented, where you can "duplicate" yourself in team games. This would avoid logging with several accounts to place your orders (i guess not convenient) and hopefully put an end to alts (this feature would be allowed to form a team full of yourself only).

this feature would be allowed to form a team full of yourself only

There is no way that any game creator would do that.

What ? What do you mean ?

Edited 9/22/2017 11:31:00

To allow player to "duplicate" himself in team games as you mentioned. It could be a solution to alts, but it is definitely something that game developer should avoid. If you do that, then there would be even more "solo" players.

Edited 9/22/2017 11:42:17