@ AG

I totally agree that in the past those actions weren't punished at all. And i know Octane, Platinum, u or myself (I once did also an alt run where i didn't waited 5 months) aren't the only ones who did that. To be honest i think the majority of (strategic) players who have an alt did break those rules under these regards at least once.

But still nobody could have protested against a punishment. We all accepted those rules and are all responsible for our actions.

Talking about myself i acknowledged these rules as all the others before my first game, but i never knew and never thought about that u need to wait 5 months until all games have been expired before u can join a ladder with an alt, since alts were and still are accepted by Warlight.

I first realized it when Fizzer gave me that answer. I was really surprised and therefore decided on making a public thread to remind everyone on the meaning of the rules in that regard.

There were a little of discussions in all chats i've been in. We discussed it in our Outlaws Skype chat and there were even bigger discussion on the Warlight (Strategy) Skype Chat. U know which one i mean. So i do think i reached my goal to spread that knowledge around the Strat community and minor and major strat clans.

Coming back to Octane and why people even brought him up here is because he excessivly switched accounts which is pretty outrageous and needs a pretty criminal mindset (is that justice wise the right expression when u break consiously rules). I think that can't be defended even by any moral standpoint. I can't remember of any player who did that in such a manner, so when it's done in such an excessive way it's pretty natural that that name will be brought up first. In my view it's not even unfair, cause there is nothing to defend such an excessive behaviour.

Now the only argument that could be brought up to defend his actions is not knowing about these rules. He is in 3 Clans, members from 2 of them discussed in the thread i made about the topic, so my guess would be that it was brought up and he recognized it. It's just a guess through, but what is sure is that those people of his clans who did know about the rules could have remind him on the rules so either the communication didn't worked or Octane indeed knew about the rules and still decided to continue in that way.

That's btw. also the big difference between Octane and Plat. The moment Plat knew about it he didn't switched his accounts again.

"@TBest, stalling also gives players an "unfair advantage" currently, yet I've seen nobody complain about this in the thread: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=14024002 "

I did.

As for AG's earlier comment, there won't be any other ladder runs.

I'm happy with 19-1 and 2200+ rating.

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I'm happy with 19-1 and 2200+ rating

What took you so long? We all were waiting on that

I will make a bigger forum post tomorrow when I have time, but just know that my pair of 3v3 ladder runs will be the final time I cheat, and that I apologize for not committing to the new rules earlier.



Octane

I don't see that you have any need to explain your reasons for doing something half the people in this thread have done.

Myself, mod, Edge, AG, Platinum, Kid, and quite likely others in this thread have all had unexpired games on the ladder on more than one account.

mod and myself have even had them ranked at the same time and have had ladder games where our accounts were matched to play against each other.

The only person I'd ever say went above and beyond and blatantly flaunted the rules and unanimously deserved punishment would be gnuffone. His RTL record holding account played vs. himself 7 times on the way to reaching its peak rating.

mod and I accidentally played vs. ourselves once each, we were not intentionally doing it to boost our rating as gnuffone has done multiple times.

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Not trying to witch hunt octane here, he just seems eager to get 1st but ended up on 1800s ;)

The alts on the ladders are lame, you can blame the system for its flaws which there are many but it still makes the ladder overall worse and should not be allowed.

Nauz and his army of alts do not make the ladder better for anyone else and neither does octane's. Especially when you have 5 pops at hitting #1 while everyone else has one every 5 months.

Coming back to Octane and why people even brought him up here is because he excessivly switched accounts which is pretty outrageous and needs a pretty criminal mindset (is that justice wise the right expression when u break consiously rules). I think that can't be defended even by any moral standpoint. I can't remember of any player who did that in such a manner, so when it's done in such an excessive way it's pretty natural that that name will be brought up first. In my view it's not even unfair, cause there is nothing to defend such an excessive behaviour.

Now the only argument that could be brought up to defend his actions is not knowing about these rules. He is in 3 Clans, members from 2 of them discussed in the thread i made about the topic, so my guess would be that it was brought up and he recognized it. It's just a guess through, but what is sure is that those people of his clans who did know about the rules could have remind him on the rules so either the communication didn't worked or Octane indeed knew about the rules and still decided to continue in that way.

Afaik, the little chat we had on Lynx discord about it (and it wasn't much), Octane didn't participate in the conversation. And being on a discord with over 200,000 messages, it shouldn't be a suprise that he might've missed that.

That's btw. also the big difference between Octane and Plat. The moment Plat knew about it he didn't switched his accounts again.

Acting like this is a huge difference is incorrect imo, especially if you do not know this is true when it comes to him knowing this rule. Plat has arguably done worse on the 3v3 Ladder as he kept creating new ladder runs with different account without finishing other runs, doing something he knows happens - tanking other players ratings because he wouldn't finish a run.

I'm not here to cast blame on plat, or anyone else for that matter. I'm just sick of players being singled out for something a ton of other people did with no repercussions.

@Buns is it lame? Sure. That's what the rules will do to fix that, but I know several people (myself included) with unexpired games on 3 accounts (same as Octane).

Still not fair to just throw the blame on one player.

If you ever fall into a grey area while playing the ladders then make sure you join 101st, they provide the best attorneys in all the warlight clans to defend your case ;)

I will defend our members if I feel they are getting treated unfairly. I would hope you would do the same for a Turtle's player.

Please don't sully my name thinking I'm involved in any of Octanes actions when they are his alone to do and defend.

@DeMoz Your name hasn't been mentioned in my post, in this thread and I'm sure it won't be unless you want it to be. I don't understand where you thought that but take comfort that's not the case. We will see if he wins both games to prove my earlier quote wrong maybe.

Coming back to Octane and why people even brought him up here is because he excessivly switched accounts which is pretty outrageous and needs a pretty criminal mindset

It's been explained a few times now with quotes above ^ , I'm not expecting you to agree but to atleast understand why. If you still want to ignore these quotes and still ask why it's so unfair and be a sexy cowboy lawyer go ahead. (Styx would approve of this)

Plat has arguably done worse on the 3v3 Ladder as he kept creating new ladder runs with different account without finishing other runs, doing something he knows happens - tanking other players ratings because he wouldn't finish a run

I've done 8 ladder runs in total. From these 8 ladder runs, About 3-4ish were completed *Above 10 games* , A few got ended on my own naivity of being booted. One or two may have ended due to my team-mates getting booted from various life reasons. Overall, I wasn't that bad (even I'm surprised it wasn't as bad I thought it was).. I can show all 8 3v3 ladder runs if you wish for clarification. Though one thing I can defintely confirm, I didn't used alts in different ladder runs at the same time or with games being counted. (I think anyways unless I missed something).

Super, i think there is one point that we aren't on the same paige. I was only talking about the time after i made the thread and the discussion in that regard started. Not about unexpired games before that time. I think nobody in here blames him for past actions prior that date.

I'm not agreeing with what octane did, nor am I saying he should keep doing this.

My issue with the statement

A. You automaticly assume he meant to cause harm.

B. He has said he will stop and has apologized for doing this.

C. You act like he should be the one hung out to dry.

As far as the 3v3 runs I brought up, I was only referring to the alt runs you did. You know very well, not finishing these runs hurt the ratings of other players. I am not mad, I am pointing out a double standard, how we're willing to attack one player, but I'd another player does something it can be deducted to just being naive.

@Edge, but you automatically assume he even knew of your thread? Or am I missing something.

I think we can shorten this discussion:

We had a long period of time, where a bunch of players used Alts on ladders. Once you play your alt-accounts parallel or within a time period below 5 month, you wll always have an advantage as you drag down the rating of your opponents (itentionally or not). We all agree that these kind of praxis is at least from a moral point of view reprobate. Octane is not the first, hopefully he will be the last known example. Taking out one person out of a bunch of players who did this, is not the solution of our problems. Such witch-hunts won't get us anywhere.

Some players out of the community worked out rules to solve this issue, most of us agree on them. Some say, these rules were there all the time, but we all agree that they weren't enforced. And now it is time to fix the date, when we enforce these rules.

Any suggestions?

My 3 suggestions (choose one):
1st October 2017
15th October 2017
1st November 2017

Personally I prefer the earlist possible date.

I think he either knew it or if he didn't knew about it, that u or anyone else from his clans who knew about it have a responsibility to explain the problem to him to prevent him from such a situation.

As far as the 3v3 runs I brought up, I was only referring to the alt runs you did. You know very well, not finishing these runs hurt the ratings of other players. I am not mad, I am pointing out a double standard, how we're willing to attack one player, but I'd another player does something it can be deducted to just being naive.

Just one problem.. I completed my last two alt runs.. (I know right, What a shocker..) So I don't think you are correct at all.

The idea that is the clans responsibility to educate the members to do something that is commonplace and that fizzer has shown no interest in punishing is absurd to me. Stop acting like your post is when something in the Warlight community clicked and the rules started taking effect. If it did this forum wouldn't need to exist.

Ah, sorry plat. I assumed you left the ladder at that point.

Maybe I was thinking of another run.

I apologize.

@Buns: Lynx is filthy rich, so we may as well spend our money on the best attorneys money can buy ;)

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In my (legal) opinion, the case is as simple as this:

This matter was brought to our attention. As we clan we decided that we didn't like it and we asked Octane to stop. He agreed, and has publicly posted his intentions to stop. For us, the matter ends there.

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Even Timinator and Master of the Dead have done this (playing games on their old 3v3 ladder team while having a new team). They finished 5 games on their new account before they finished their last game on their old account -

Old account: https://www.warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=14354
New account: https://www.warlight.net/LadderGames?ID=4&LadderTeamID=18209

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