Beren explained that in his thread: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/223845-commander-template-challenge

All he says is that it was too dominant. I fail to see how it was dominant.

All he says is that it was too dominant.

He said it became too dominant after he nerfed West China. Here's the quotation.

Finally, for map balance I decrease the value of West China to +5/7 and West Africa to +3/4. With West China higher Asia became too rich, and with West Africa higher it became too dominant a pick in Africa.

This seems reasonable.

Edited 3/14/2017 23:56:11

I'm dumb, obviously, since I need it spelled out for me. I don't understand how it became more dominant after China was nerfed.

Were people really completing China enough for its nerfing to have that large an affect on the rest of the map?

What makes Africa different from similarly efficient bonus combinations (SA with AA and CA, AUS with Indo and AA, or WR with Scan and CR)?

I think because it is the connecting part between efficient bonuses in SA and EA and controls also the kinda big landmass of africa. It's a good starting pick cause the commander can eat a lot of neutrals there and us not even in danger.

@DB: it's not a dumb question at all. You've highlighted what seems to be one of the most important aspects of this template (2 overridden bonuses on Medium Earth).

Edited 3/15/2017 00:13:05

So Volcano Island - http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=980617 ended up being the least vetoed MD ladder template.

Would this be a good template for a seasonal?

Personally I find it a fun template and will be playing this season, and I know others who do too.

finally i can beat fizzer on ladders?

So Volcano Island - http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net/template?templateId=980617 ended up being the least vetoed MD ladder template.

Would this be a good template for a seasonal?

I really wouldn't decide seasonal templates based on that criteria.

The most vetoed templates are always going to be the most "unfamiliar" templates: MA, LD, brawls, WR...
And the least vetoed, well, they'll always be the same too. Standard SR templates with roughly 1v1 ladder settings. (Though not on the MME map because some people are bored by it.)

If you pick the least vetoed template, you're going to end with a vanilla template, that no one bothered to veto, because everyone felt it was a safe and familiar template. Which is the opposite of what the seasonal ladder should be about in my opinion.

If you pick the least vetoed template, you're going to end with a vanilla template

Maybe so.

I haven't played Volcano Island: can any MD-ladder veterans comment on it?

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=13099499

:(

lol really "strategic" loss...

Edited 3/16/2017 06:44:13

rekt

So predictable that there's moans and groans because once again the seasonal isn't ME with WR...blah blah...

The seasonal is meant to be FUN !! If you like the stale old settings then hop on one of the other ladders.

How would you like it if the 1v1 ladder was changed to commanders, LD & MA? Yeah right you wouldn't. So stick to your bog standard 1v1 ladder and leave the seasonal as fun. You really think by moaning and groaning you're going to make everything geared up to the elitist view of what is "strategic"?

Leave this ladder for those that aren't scared of venturing out of their shell-like world and enjoy the 1v1 which was geared to players like yourself

sorry Master indibob, I didn't want to upset you :/

indibob why the salt man

so you're saying that the seasonal is...

for those that aren't scared of venturing out of their shell-like world

but we're here complaining because we've ALREADY HAD A SEASONAL with almost the exact same settings

it's for reasons opposite of everything you've said so far

The seasonal is meant to be FUN !! If you like the stale old settings then hop on one of the other ladders.

how is it fun if you're playing commanders on the same map over and over

imo you just have a really cringey bias against elitism that you manifest all of your arguments off of

Edited 3/16/2017 14:17:31

I commend Beren for creating a strategic commanders template. But forget commanders for a second; we've talked about them enough.

This is the elephant in the room:

14 out of the 28 seasons has been MME/ME

Why have half the maps in all the seasonal ladder been Medium Earth or Modified Medium Earth?

I would like to propose the following:

No more Medium earth or Modified Medium earth in the seasonal ladder.

We have so many dedicated map makers making great 1v1 strategic maps. We have entire clans dedicated to map making. I understand not all map makers are "strategic" template creators. Here I am offering some solutions:

- the strategic template creators, please use maps other than ME/MME to create strategic templates.
- the map makers need to "sell" their maps. Advertise them. Create games every day with them, with open seats. The map of the week helps, but FFA games are not strategic.
- Fizzer can create 4-5 more autogames with 1v1 templates with maps other than ME/MME (MME is already in multi-day auto, real-time auto, 1v1 ladder, and now seasonal ladder)

Yes, we can have a strategic commanders template. But whoever creates the next one, please, for the love of anything you find holy, make it on a map other than ME/MME? Thank you.

Edited 3/16/2017 16:19:11

o predictable that there's moans and groans because once again the seasonal isn't ME with WR

Did you even check settings of this seasonal? It is ME with WR!! Did you even read the posts you comment on? I mean you're putting words in so many people's mouths who in fact say the exact opposite thing.

If you like the stale old settings then hop on one of the other ladders.

How is it not stale if every second season has the same map and the same commander setting over and over? This makes no sense. Everyone here agrees there should be more variety yet we constantly get the same thing all the time with little variation!

There are many nice templates on uncommon settings like MA, LD, no-split. How many of them were ever on seasonal?

The seasonal is meant to be FUN !!

Commanders are fun for you. But for many they are not, how hard is that to understand?

At this point, you are pretty much imposing your own taste on everyone else and trying to sell it as some kind voice of oppressed majority against evil elitists. This is ridiculous. Everyone speaks for themselves.

+1 all three posts above me

I'm still waiting for Texas 2ag2 to get on the ladders.

Some nice onepick templates or auto-distribution instead of these and maybe I would join for once.

Edited 3/16/2017 16:56:05

So predictable that there's moans and groans because once again the seasonal isn't ME with WR...blah blah...

The seasonal is meant to be FUN !! If you like the stale old settings then hop on one of the other ladders.

How would you like it if the 1v1 ladder was changed to commanders, LD & MA? Yeah right you wouldn't. So stick to your bog standard 1v1 ladder and leave the seasonal as fun. You really think by moaning and groaning you're going to make everything geared up to the elitist view of what is "strategic"?

Leave this ladder for those that aren't scared of venturing out of their shell-like world and enjoy the 1v1 which was geared to players like yourself

>Read threadtitle
>Read nothing else in the thread
>Make angry comment on how everybody is wrong.

Well done mate