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Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/2/2016 13:54:35


TeamGuns
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Eh don't be mistaken, your threads don't get downvoted for not being liberal but for being total trash.

In this forum one of the few things liberals AND conservatives agree, is that you are a total pain in the ass.
- downvoted post by Fan the Apostle
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/2/2016 14:25:09


Cata Cauda
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Nothing wrong with hiding spam-threads. I totally agree with hiding them. Also I start to like the voting. It seems that it actually helps cleaning the fora and promoting useful threads.
- downvoted post by Master HFG
- downvoted post by Cata Cauda
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/2/2016 15:23:10


Fan the Apostle
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i like how "So the question is?" is hidden.

You just ruined a 4 year old thread RIP.
- downvoted post by GeniusJKlopp
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/2/2016 19:54:30

Red Λrmy 
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Didn't think a forum update was ever coming. If it ever came I kinda always thought that a quick fix along with it would be that the forums width would increase to make use of that dead black space to the right. I toggled the ads back on just to see if all the space was actually being used, but no. Pretty sure my display is standard too so what's up with all that space? Checked the site on my mobile also and still theres clear excess space...

Anyway, I like the update, but the thumbs would be better if they were fractionally smaller maybe, and certainly if they were to the immediate left or right of the user's profile. Most of the time you'll see short posts, and you're often scrolling a little excessively and needlessly through a thread because the thumbs are both large and below the user profile.

My biggest peeve is opting for thumbs over arrows; the Facebook, Youtube generation see a thumb and it's a more of a like/dislike button; not upvote/downvote, and it seems that that's precisely the association you want to avoid.

Here's a quick example of the suggestions (I only changed the first post and moved the ad):
https://s16.postimg.org/z6uhabv05/Forums.png
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 03:53:57


Wally Balls 
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It's harder for me to be against this now that all my own comments are not being hidden, as I assumed they would be. Seems to be used on hardcore troll spammers like anonym. Still see some changes that could be made though. Like showing the # of votes, and making those buttons less hideous.
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 04:14:04


l4v.r0v 
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Big hands are useful on mobile, but not that great on web. I'd recommend using media queries (or some other method) to have them larger on mobile but keeping them small on browsers. Maybe a little bit larger (1.5x) than reddit upvotes/downvotes.
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 05:00:24


Wally Balls 
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Wally, you are a troll too


I'm aware that some people think that but they are not mass-downvoting anything I say. It appears people, at least for right now, are judging content not just downvoting everything from people they don't like. That's a positive sign this might work. Hopefully it continues that way.
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 08:39:59

huddyj 
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I like the concept of voting for threads you like, and really appreciate that off-topic posts within threads don't have to be read, as you can vote to hide them.

However, my concern is that genuine, on-topic threads are being forced off of the 'dashboard selection' as more and more threads get over the voting thresh-hold needed for them to be pinned to the dashboard. (not sure what that 'thresh-hold' is) This means recent threads of interest are actually hidden unless players go the the forum page actively searching for them.
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 10:26:37


Green Turtle 
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To resolve huddyj's concern, all we need to do is to adjust the upvote threshold. It's a learning by doing process. I guess Fizzer has already been doing experiments on the up and down thresholds so that the current parameters are hopefully close to their optimal values.

Edited 9/3/2016 10:30:13
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 10:37:47


ℳℛᐤƬrαńɋℰ✕
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I don´t get the new Forum update at all. The Voting is so off - and full of holes. It does not improve Forum experience. I would have been much more satisfied, it I could have instead an option to Hide Threads that I am not interested myself, rather than let community decide what is relevant.

Warlight ranks HIGH on spam, lack of informative posts, low relevancy threads etc. If a player could at least decide for himself, what is relevant to him, already this would improve the forum quality - although in the end this would just be a distortion. Or vice-versa, could bookmark, tag certain threads. I know the Muli script has some options, I believe, but why not built them in the system.
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 10:55:35


Fan the Apostle
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^i agree, why not incorporate all of Muli's features and give him credit. Fizzer just needs to copy paste, even a lazy sack of potatoes can do that.
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 11:07:58

The Supreme Mugwump
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And then ypu need several trucks of potatoes for maintamence of features. Even if Muli's script works perfectly across different browsers than it is still plenty of work to maintain it in future.

Blind copy-pasting is not acceptable in programming, assuming that one wants something working reliably.

Edited 9/3/2016 11:08:11
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 13:03:52


Green Turtle 
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I would have been much more satisfied, it I could have instead an option to Hide Threads that I am not interested myself, rather than let community decide what is relevant.


I agree that it would be better to decide which post not to read by yourself. The problem is, at the time you see a post that is not worth of your attention, it's already too late to decide not to read it. The only way to spend zero time on a post that you don't like is to let some other agent filter it for you, be it another human or AI.

Edited 9/3/2016 13:27:45
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 13:28:10


Fan the Apostle
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it would be helpful if our post and thread values were shown, like -2 or +4.
and while your at it, you might as well let us see who down/upvoted our stuff too.

Edited 9/3/2016 13:30:58
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 13:49:09


ℳℛᐤƬrαńɋℰ✕
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@Turtle

I don´t want to get too much into Voting-system. I have nothing good to say about it. What I meant about hide, tag, bookmark. Is that if I check forums once a week: and every day there is 10 Non-Warlight related, lack of information and in relevancy in General Section - I need to go through 2-3 pages to get to few Threads where someone posted on Monday-Tuesday. It would be much efficient if I could just use those 3 features to make forum readable, for at least those Threads that I have previously chose to track. There is no way to eliminate the nonsense - it is a current standard here.

To me it always seems simpler and more sensible to solve the cause of problem, rather than an attempt to change an outcome with same inputs. But thats just me.

For posts I am glad you trust an average Warlight player, unfortunately I don´t, as every second post here is spam or non-informative (actually it probably is higher than 80%). So It does not exactly help at all that few threads and some spam gets hidden. I know it is wishful thinking, but maybe one day Warlight gets a Working Forum.
Update 3.17 discussion: Forum voting, level liking: 9/3/2016 17:47:40


Wally Balls 
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Pretty clear that the off-topic forum needs a higher threshold before the thread gets hidden. Tons of normal threads are being hidden. Including some with huge post counts. The nature of that forum is that controversial topics are common and I think everybody understands and is ok with that.

Even the 'last reply' thread with thousands of posts is hidden...
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