Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 04:42:43 |
#Master [QB]
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I am really sorry for confirming that I will participate this season to late but I was almost inactive the last monthes and just came back 3days ago. Since I do not like the ladders anymore cl is the only way for me to play highly competetiv games with friends, so I would love to play. I didn't know about a deadline and thought it is like last season, the last thing I wanted is to beginn a discussion like this o.O . I hope it's still possible but I can understand your claim.
Edited 6/7/2016 04:43:37
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 07:01:25 |
Arkanton
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If I have to take the call, give me some time(1-2 days) to think things through and talk to people. you even don't replace someone to give opportunity to play QB, you change also players who exist in you lineup with or without QB imo Masters will win this CL but if you change your lineup and you win, everyone will talk that you win because of that
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 07:13:10 |
Don [ Ω ]
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Nice QB found the time to participate. And for those who are competing in A(similar things could happen in any Group i guess) they could be happy to have more challenging games. I guess noone wants to have the title in A if only beginners do participate and noone is unbeatable ;-). All in all this is just a game to stimulate our brain cells a bit, no? So why worry :-)
I do wish all of us a happy and interesting CL8.... lets gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :-)
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 07:19:51 |
Don [ Ω ]
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:-/ ... only jealousy and disfavour will see it that way....
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 10:19:04 |
Phaeril
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No. I'm sorry Don, but no.
I would like the hardest competition it's possible to have, particularly in this CL8 in A that should probably be the most competitive ever. So, yes, this should be good QB be in.
BUT, to change the lineup after the deadline by adding a new player, (in not 1, but 3 tournaments...), this is just unfair for other clans. In fact, it is not that bad, maybe not so decisive, but if this is allow, we should allow to every clans to change their lineup as they want until the tournament start... so deadline are made for what ? It will be a mess.
Only emergencies should allow a new player to go in, to replace one that could not play. And for the best, this should be regulated more precisely.
Push claimed about unfairness when some clans could see other lineup before post them. That was a mistake from organizers, that was hard to prevent. Now, a clan that as part of the tourney, Masters, finally decided to do something relatively similar.
Furthermore, the point that Masters should win anyway is not admissible. If you allow this kind of argument, it easy to understand this lead to a clan get more rights because it seems better anyway. Of course this should not.
Yes Masters probably will win, I think they will, but I'm not back from the futur. Let's see this tourney and not trying to end it before it started.
It's not a question of jealousy or get better chances to win for himself or any kind of bad feeling against Masters. Even less to QB.
Just fair rules. No claim. Good tourney.
Edited 6/7/2016 10:21:25
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 10:44:32 |
Don [ Ω ]
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Of course i do agree that rules/deadlines are made for a reason. Seeing the lineup of others can lead to an "unwanted" advantage - yes. I just wanted to state - underline - that most of us are enjoying the competitive fun of CL. .-) If we all would agree on any setup no rules would have to be applied, thats clear. With the "QB-situation" we do realize how rules are prosecuted or not. For me personally i would welcome any good player if the CL hasnt started, but lets make it simple.... can all the clans in A live with QB attending? or does anyone REALLY want Masters to change their lineup again? ;-)
To all clans in A.. wouldnt it be more satisfying to beat Master with QB on their team?... :-D
Edited 6/7/2016 10:45:33
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 10:56:20 |
TeamGuns
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I believe the bigger problem isn't one player added at this point, but the precedent it creates. If Masters can change their lineup now, maybe Apex will decide to do the same, and then WG, Lynx, French, Turtles and GG. And that's only in A, maybe a clan in any other division can just decide to change their entire lineup after seeing the competition.
That just creates too much of a mess, if we have a deadline, we should either keep it or not have a deadline at all...
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 10:56:26 |
Don [ Ω ]
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But of course i am not the one to decide or judge - no matter the outcome. I just like to have everyone an enjoyable CL :-) -
Edited 6/7/2016 10:58:01
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 13:53:33 |
MisterT
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@ tbest too much work for the organisators. id say no tweaks allowed. its probably best to not have too much time bewteen the official deadline of giving up the players and the actual start of cl.
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/7/2016 14:01:39 |
Hades
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^why not just each changed spot is a tweak. So they have 3 changes, 3 tweaks. Otherwise the amount of tweaks could depend on the order of the tweaks. Like If MoD was only in Final Earth, using your system, If QB replaces him in Final Earth, 1 tweak, then he's not in the roster, so he can replace Pushover for 1 tweak, and QB replaces seph... 3 tweaks. And swapping Mod to Great lakes before replacing him in final earth... 4 tweaks.
But I do like the idea. If we gave masters 2 tweaks, they can put QB into the lineup in 2 places, but not move MoD around.
I personally don't see the big deal with a line-up change and hope QB gets to play. But people clearly feel strongly about it, so we should try find a way where everyone's happy. Or atleast most people are happy.
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/8/2016 01:00:03 |
Deadman
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I will quote the only comment from the panel in the past on this issue:
Beren • apex WarLight Member Level 62 Report If a player doesn't join, does the clan have the option of replacing him with someone else who is playing fewer than 3 tournaments? Assuming this all happens before June 15th, of course.
ChrisCMU WarLight Member Level 59 Report Yes, they can be replaced before the RR starts. But it will start without them. I will set a deadline for leaders to replace someone.
I suggest you all communicate your lineup to your clan players and make sure they expect an invite.
We've talked things through with the panel. It's safe to say everyone had a different opinion before we began. After discussing the issue at great length, we have decided that the following rule shall apply:- A player has to drop completely(give up all their slots) to be considered inactive. This player can then be replaced by another player in the clan as of deadline date. The replacement player can be anyone, whether it be a new player or someone who is already not committed to 3 tournaments.
If someone is already committed to the max number of tournaments(3), they cannot be shuffled around to tweak a clan's line-up.
This issue is due to the fact that we have a deadline, and the tournaments are created a few weeks after the deadline. This is a necessity if we are to have some idea of who to invite when we create the tournaments. However, things can change in that time period. People leave clans or even Warlight. They may get busy and cannot commit to games. In the interest of a competitive league, it is better if such slots are filled by someone else rather than a clan pick up boots. Line-ups being known to all and clans tweaking their line-ups based on opponents is a valid concern, but I would like to point out that the line-ups were already known to 3 Group A clans before they submitted their initial roster. It was an error on our part, but it happened all the same. We will address the issue in a more concrete manner for CL9. All this being said, we aim to create all tournaments within 1-2 days and send invites based on the line-ups submitted. The tournaments will begin on June 15, 11 PM PST. If you have any changes which meet this rule, please send a PM to ChrisCMU/MotD and we will incorporate it as long as they are sent in before June 14th(assuming your replacement is going to join within a day). I would also like to reiterate that this is not an individual decision. Everyone on the panel agrees with it and thinks is the best way forward.
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/8/2016 01:03:08 |
Deadman
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List of changes meeting this criteria so far(after the deadline):
- 6/15- Stahl - kevin#1 replaces GoatFinger
- 6/15- rp - Mail replaces Cj6701
- 6/14- Olympus - TdoggTL replaces Erebus, thanatos and Alaric replace Harpocrates.
- 6/14- Lynx - andy903 replaced by Hades in Start ME, Dom365 in French Brawl
- 6/14- BIA - Vanguard replaces Manuka Badger
- 6/13- WG - Summer replaces Falker
- 6/13- Apex - Ultimaratio replaced with Miyagi
- 6/11- Hydra - Skooma replaced with xCrypticx, Zappyelf replaced with Milly
- 6/9 - VS - Kosmos drops out, replaced by Vicnus
- 6/8 - CORP - Fareck drops out, replaced by mm3100.
- 6/8 - SNinja - Gaer56 drops out, replaced by Tulan in Treasure map, and Acrid in Great Lakes
- 6/6 - Masters - Pushover drops out, replaced by QB. Jefferspin drops out, replaced by Farah.
- 6/5 - TJC - Dr Love left clan, replaced his spot with Cat (already in CL8 twice)
- 6/5 - GG - Ollie withdrawn from his only template, replaced with JV (was in twice)
- 6/4 - AOE - Lisa inactive, replaced with Mexican Juice
- 6/2 - Vikinger - 3 inactives. replaced in lineup
- 6/1 - apex - replaced grona with timon x 3
- 5/30 - rp - Lineup was invalid (two players with 4 templates, needs adjustment still as revised one not fixed)
- 5/30 - Preuben Garde - sent entire lineup as Lux never did
EDIT: Applied changes as they come in.
Edited 6/15/2016 17:12:22
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Clan League 8: Pronostic championships: 6/8/2016 01:38:12 |
calema
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for me, there are no differences between master QB MOD MOTD ..... SO he can play! it s just a game! but not all of these changes! it replaces just 2 guys ! of course, if other clan want integrate a player, they can and everyone is happy :)
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