What's the problem, at the end the good player are on the top of the ladder. I don't see any player in the top 20 who not deserve it. So what ?

Some of them probably deserve a lower ranking than they have and some a higher ranking, within the top 20. It's not like a player who should be ranked 100th is ranked 5th by stalling but it can keep a player at 5th who should be at 10th or 15th.

Edited 5/26/2016 14:09:33

I think last year june to august there was one player nr.1 and was booted about 15 times in a row. Which means about 15 times player get poinst without playing, stalling means you get your poinst later. Now what is more unfair ?????

Jenny

A player wins a game he didnt play. In africa a kid starves to death. what is more unfair?

(Hint: its probably the african kid starving, but thats not the point)

Edited 5/26/2016 14:51:04

I don't start this thread, I have no problem with both ;)
..sometimes I stalling myself... but don't tell it to anyone... :))

and I myself think the player with the 15 boots is a very fair player but this was not the point either !

Edited 5/26/2016 14:54:22

sometimes I stalling myself

No shit.

Litmus test for this thread: people who stall don't like the idea. But they don't just defend the practice of stalling, they pretend it doesn't happen or that it doesn't have an impact.

I am the queen of stalling, but it is not against the role, isn't it?

Billy do not lie. I talk with Ven a lot and he knows you are stalling that game... He won more than a week ago. You're busted, Mr "Anti-Stall Warrior".

That's different, it's not about ranking, it's because he's a dick. I didn't take my turn for like 6 hours and he starts flipping out in chat talking all this shit. If people want to stall to punish others for their behavior, that's fine. But not as a strategy to maximize your ranking.

Lol, cover up game here. He was being respectful and you reply with "calm the fuck down. There is a 99.99% chance you won, but as long as I have a 0.01% chance to win, then I will continue!" "I will punish you for your sins!" and shit like that lolol. You're a staller, just admit it :P

That is not what happened and I don't care about your opinion. As I said, it has nothing to do with rating. I'm punishing him for behaving like a child.

That is irrelevant to this topic. I agree that there would be good ways to avoid stalling. That idea came up before but seems not to be on fizzers immediate (if at all) roadmap

I think this is a clever solution and I would argue that you can probably be even more aggressive than 50% income/50% armies. I understand that comebacks could potentially happen from 50% in either category but from 50% in both is completely impossible.

False positives (games which were flagged as stalling but eventually turn into comebacks) aren't affected in the long run. It doesn't affect either player's rating once the game is correctly adjudicated.

False negatives (games where someone is stalling despite being within the 'comeback range') should be treated the same as the more blatant forms of stalling in my opinion.

This is a great way to take away the 'reward' of stalling. Under this system it would be a waste of both players' time rather than just the winner's.

Marking a game is pointless, as after its been marked the outcome may be effected by the information thats been handed out by marking it. Meaning you should directly end a game when it meets the conditions, which also means that a comeback should ve been impossible at that point.

To argue at what point a situation is impossible to comeback from, you first have to agree on how stupid your enemy will play.
there obviously are situations where, if the enemy plays it perfect, there is no chance of coming back, even with perfect gambling (meaning, even if you d know what moves he does, you d still lose). But that does not mean that there is no chance for you to come back, as your enemy probably wont play perfect.
Also, there is no situation (at least not on the current ladder settings) that you are guranteed to win, no matter how stupid you play. Meaning, with maximum stupid enemy, its never impossible to come back.
Therefore your enemies skill has to be set somewhere between maximum stupid and perfect before any condition could be made that completly ensures a comeback is impossible.

Edited 5/26/2016 17:01:12

I don't think bad players would realize or care wheter their game got marked. Good players know already that they lost and they won't play that badly and screw up on such a situation.

@Billy

When I wrote "I thought you don't stall Billy ??" it was a joke. It was humorous for the reasons you pointed out. I know humour might be a strange concept to you but before you lash out and insult people maybe "Try using your brain" (I think that's how you put it)


@Billy again

When I wrote "I don't see ladder stalling as a problem.. I've never come across anybody that does it". That was a fact. I'm relatively new to the ladder peaked just over 30 and am now in the 40's due to poor and slow play during the exam period. But none of these "undeserving stallers" that were ranked near me have stalled a single game yet.

So maybe before insulting me, calling me a liar and falsely accusing me of being a staller why don't you grow up and learn some manners. After all if you treat people this badly on forums then maybe just maybe some of them remember that. Maybe you encounter more stallers than me out of spite for how you treat people on forums.

Edited 5/26/2016 17:16:32

This solution seems overly difficult to implement and controversial. Who decides the criteria for a loss?

As I mentioned in another thread, I think it would be simpler if people didn't get ranked until after completing their first 20 games according to start date, not end date. Then stalling has no effect; you still have to finish the first 20 games you started before you get your ranking. That doesn't stop stalling after a person is already ranked, but... do people do that? I thought stalling was mostly just for runs.

All games should end after 10 turns, winner is player with most troops. gg.

All games should end after 10 turns, winner is player with most troops. gg.

No

So maybe before insulting me, calling me a liar and falsely accusing me of being a staller why don't you grow up and learn some manners.

There is a psychology mechanism called "projection". Long story short, if I deny my behaviours or personal attributes, I tend to see and reject them in others, too. This is why he cannot help but think like this. Ingame chat with Ven shows this clearly, too.

And considering Ven, I want tell everyone, that he is really great guy. When I came to CORP as complete noob, he agreed to help me with my game and he did so avidly, teaching me a lot of things which I would need to gain by experience. We spent a lot of time chatting and become friends, in terms of online possibilities. I absolutely back up him in this case, if income ratio is 24:5, there is no doubt who is a dick here :P

Sorry guys for off topic post, I don't want to derail this thread. I just can't stay silent when somebody so unfairly and agressively attack my tutor.

Edited 5/26/2016 19:23:28

Cute <3