Statists would likely divide into factions until they agree enough with each other.

They'd have guns at the ready, but I think they'd find common ground to unify and maintain a governance, if not at least peace between factions.

Well, don't argue like that, MGSB.

dingus khan

1990-on, roughly 500k-700k folk were killed each year from common murders (which, keep in mind, are actively tried to be stopped by government). Roughly 50-100k were killed each year from war. 12+ million each year died from not having access to healthcare or welfare of any kind.

I'll take government.

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I suggest we put the statists in a woodland, and give them guns. In no time, you will see them at each other's throats vying for power over one another.

Then we'll know putting humans in an anarchial state is bad as violence is high as humans try to gain power.

Well you see how extremism can effect the chances of that in the Syrian Civil war. ISIS is one such extremist faction, and they're standing in the way of peace. The KWP is another, being a communist group bent on dominating the Middle East.

But Butler, without a state, life is brutish, violent, and short. Just like in Somalia. Didn't you study your Leviathan?

why dont u actually practice what u preach

buy a one way ticket to somalia

get a gun and live ur fantasy

Well it can be brutal and short in a statist society too. X knows that well, he was in Eritrea.

and life can be pretty good as well

look at NORWAY, AMERICA, UNITED KINGDOM, and so FORTH

MGSB, I respect you as a player, but your political views are naive at best. Someone will always vie for power. It is in human nature. Infant mortality rates have dropped due to modern medicine (possible only with government, without it the "nerds" and considered physically weak would be wiped out by those who deem themselves physically superior. It has already been argued, but removing human institutions cannot remove human nature. Someone will establish dominance, and that in itself may be some government. Think of the phone/tablet/computer you play on now. Government allowed for stability across its domains, which allowed for development and transport of you electronic device. If it weren't government, you couldn't even post your idiotic rants on this forum.

I wasn't in threat of gunshots, in what could be argued the most authoritarian country in the world. Police brutality is colossal, and so is common crime. China shut down its embassy in Somalia 1991-2014, while China has had an embassy in Eritrea since independence in 1993.

MGSB, I respect you as a player, but your political views are naive at best. Someone will always vie for power. It is in human nature. Infant mortality rates have dropped due to modern medicine (possible only with government, without it the "nerds" and considered physically weak would be wiped out by those who deem themselves physically superior. It has already been argued, but removing human institutions cannot remove human nature. Someone will establish dominance, and that in itself may be some government. Think of the phone/tablet/computer you play on now. Government allowed for stability across its domains, which allowed for development and transport of you electronic device. If it weren't government, you couldn't even post your idiotic rants on this forum.

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Well yes X, that's the point, authoritarianism and statism can have effects that lower life length too. Particularly, soldiers shooting you if you try the country.

Major,
Go to Somalia, Eritrea, Syria.
And then tell me life is better there.

dropped due to modern medicine (possible only with government, without it the "nerds" and considered physically weak would be wiped out by those who deem themselves physically superior

What? Heck no, governments do this (killing smart folk) too. Look at Pol Pot, or Athens, killing smart folk because they were able to threaten the government.

Think of the phone/tablet/computer you play on now. Government allowed for stability across its domains, which allowed for development and transport of you electronic device

Folk who work for companies around the world contributed to making this phone, governments did little in the production of this. They didn't transport it either, and since piracy doesn't existed in the pacific for the most part, they didn't protect it, and if they did hypothetically, there is no reason a private company couldn't do so.

Major,
Go to Somalia, Eritrea, Syria.
And then tell me life is better there.

Syria: A country torn apart by civil war, between four factions which are not anarchist and all vying to rule over the area. No anarchy here.

Eritrea: A police state that kills folk for trying to leave.

Somalia: Pretty good compared to the other countries. Especially before statists invaded in 2006.

Major, all states where goverment collapsed are in Civil Wars now.
Anarchism only works in small structures, like tribes, villages or families, but not in states of millions of people.

A civil war is where several governments fight to control a geographic area, it is not anarchic. Especially when no groups in the civil war are anarchic.
(You don't even have a Makhno in Syria, come on.)

Show me a place where Anarchism worked out, please.