Jesus FUCKING CHRIST

This thread is childish beyond belief- everyone's taking this waaay too seriously! Who give a fuck what happens to Semicedevine? Whether he did it or not, the damage has already been done, and banning him won't do jack shit. Everyone ought to just chill and realize that your pointless bickering about the specifics of the punishments he receives and why DOES NOT MATTER. Any sanctions TLW put on him are essentially meaningless. Even if he were banned- there's a thing called an alternate account! So go find a new thread with a new stupid drama to type up walls of text on- because everything on this thread has been repeated at least 6 times and everyone acts like it's a new thing each time it's said!

HEy, i stopped arguing a long time ago.

"This is the perfect recipe for a hijacking; they were virtually asking to get hijacked"
--Semicedevine

That's what we're going with here? They were asking for it? Seriously?

That is the exact same damn thing as saying that someone deserved to be raped because their skirt was too short.

Victim-blaming is never a good look. Stop.

^ dis boi is RIGHT

fizzer is too lazy to reform the clan manager system

how long has it been that ppl want this shit? you gotta pose some kind of threat or some kind of leverage over fizzer in order to enact the changes u want

i had issue with waco manager rights (stupid glitch led to one of da manager to remove all managers) and fizzer restored the manager to its rightful owner. idk how common this is with regards to other hijacks though.

good thing the wacos never have issues with hijacking

we will never have issues with it hahaha

That is the exact same damn thing as saying that someone deserved to be raped because their skirt was too short.

No it's not. Rape, by definition, doesn't require consent. Getting "hijacked" is entirely based on consent- you have to give someone Manager Rights and the ability to do whatever they want with your clan. If you want to go for the sex analogy, this is like telling someone they can do whatever they want, tying yourself up, and then getting mad when they go get ice cream instead.

Colonel's literally just asking Fizzer to ban Semice because whoever "hijacked" RE didn't do what Colonel wanted them to with the MR.

Just sitting here waiting for the thread to be locked.

Lets put it this way: giving someone MR is like giving them 15 dollars and telling them to hold onto it for you.

If you wouldn't trust them with 15 dollars, don't trust them with MR. Simple.

I'm not defending Semice, but he shouldn't be banned.

It's more like wiring someone $15 over the Internet.

Actually, it is rather similar to intimate partner violence. The fact that someone married their spouse does not exclude the possibility of rape. Previous consent does not guarantee continued consent.


But then again, they had it coming, right?

Edited 5/20/2016 02:21:22

1. Innocent until proven guilty
2. It's not really a big deal, Colonel made a dumb post as usual.

Looks like we're going to keep this thread going until everyone and their mother's voiced their opinion about the issue.

@Dogberry: Marriage is not consent to intimate partner violence. Transferring someone MR is explicit consent to transfer of control. Please stop trying to exploit the real suffering of rape victims to further your stupid argument.

They completely neglected the responsibilities that any true clan manager should have (carefully keeping MR safe) and chose instead to live in that perfect world with rainbows and My Little Ponys where nothing could ever possibly go wrong because everyone can be trusted

...and because of this, they got what they had coming from long ago; they lose their clan and Colonel's own actions (yes, btching about the whole situation to Fizzer), caused the damage to become permenant

@Dogberry: Marriage is not consent to intimate partner violence. Transferring someone MR is explicit consent to transfer of control. Please stop trying to exploit the real suffering of rape victims to further your stupid argument.

Actually, it is not. If I decide to SHARE manager rights with somebody, I am agreeing to a limited exercise of this ability, NOT a "transfer of control". Unfortunately, that is why I believe that The Lost Wolves is doomed to fail.

If you, as a woman, marry someone, you are by definition agreeing to have sex with this person. However, it has limits. For example, if for some medical reason you do not wish to have sex with him, the courts will not accept the marriage certificate as a proof that rape was consented to. In the same light, a hijacking was not consented to when I decided to SHARE manager rights.

@Semice: I didn't say anything to Fizzer until after your alt got banned, so don't lie.

Edited 5/20/2016 03:25:54

Knyte, you're just making an absolute fool of yourself trying to put any blame at all on anyone except the person who willfully hijacked a clan.

If it wasn't for the fact you need this guy, you would see the common sense in the arguments defending the victims and attacking the perpetrator

After your stance against ladder cheating, i know you have a sense of wrong & right... so grow up and admit the fault is 100% on those that commit the crime. 0% on those who suffer because of it

that's not true at all. The main person at fault is Semice, but the person who gave him MR in the clan has to take some of the blame. Once again, its like asking him to hold onto $15 and expecting him to give it back.

Edited 5/20/2016 03:42:02

Yeah well, both of you are making premature claims. As stated we already have taken action despite the lack of evidence, and while that is intended to be temporary, we are treating this as holding a suspect without bail. Your the person who claimed that this could be seen as relative to rape, but refuse to recognize such an act as relative to ladder cheating, which is complete hypocrisy.

Now with that out of the way, lets realize the fact that there is still a lack of evidence semice committed such an act. I'm pretty sure you are familiar with the idea of innocent until proven guilty. Please provide such proof, and as we have already shown, and since it appears to me that me and knyte are acting as defense lawyers, please don't bring out any evidence that we or semice has already shown to have flaws in it.

Basically the contention between the two of you and knyte is over what MR sharing means. Knyte has already stated this, but the system literally tells you that you are granting them the right to remove MR from you and all other people with MR. If that doesn't resolve the issue, you clearly cannot read, while you may have had the intention of sharing rights, I must ask you would you share the rights of your credit card to someone without having high levels of trust? If the answer is yes, go to a doctor now. If the answer is no, then why are you acting so idiotically in terms of MR? you should treat it as a credit card, only shared when absolutely necessary, and as far as I can tell the member that hijacked the clan did not need such access.

jap, I did not ask the Wolves to be involved in this thread. This was not intended to be a Wolf-banging thread. knyte chose to come here and make a noise.

This thread is for Fizzer. We want him to ban Semicedevine. Nothing to do with the Wolves at all except that you guys are defending him just because you think you have to. Semice deserves to die on WarLight. Sorry m8.

I believe we are obligated to defend our own clan members when they get accused of something that there is a conclusive lacking of evidence. As such, since there is such a situation in regards to semice actually having hijacked your clan.

basically what me and knyte have been doing since page 1 is an attempt to protect semice from a sh*tstorm that in our eyes he is yet to earn. Without conclusive evidence, just condemning those that could be innocent functions quite like in the opposite of the American and many other first world justice systems in which innocence is presumed. He hasn't quite exactly earned that right, and some hijacks he has claimed responsibility for may in fact not be his. As such we view your accusations, attempts to get him banned, and OCC attacks on this thread as fully unjustifiable, and will go to whatever lengths necessary to defend him.

Also TLW at least under former gov'ts believed in giving people second chances, that's why our clan is littered with ex-hijackers of the clan itself(semice, Heather, relm at least, there's probably more considering the number of hijacks and coups TLW has had). I don't think knyte plans on disrupting that. I mean we had it to the point where both relm and semice had hijacked and counterhijacked each other for a span of a few months as effective dictator, but neither was ever kicked out of the clan, and in fact before knyte's rise to power, both had MR under Relm as ruler.

Alright in my defense I'd just like to say:


9/10 times I hijack a clan, I give it back like the day immediately after

If this wasn't the case, CORP, TLW, and falcons wouldn't exist today

but the problem is... Fizzer suspended the alt LEL

and he gave MR back to the original guy who bought the clan (who's like 6 months inactive)

soooo now I actually feel really bad about it :(

and besides I wasn't going to ruin RE or anything, because usually I hand clans back just the way I found them

but mostly because I'm too lazy to kick people... since that's knyte's thing lol

I would much rather be on the spam invites side hehehe


But nonetheless I'd like to apologize anyways. I thought I had everything under control for the ultimate troll in RP Clan history and didn't realize how this whole thing could get so out of hand... and also that Fizzer was enough of an ass to actually walk-in on our RPCL exclusive-only orgy -_-

Sorry.


#blameItOnFizzerForInterruptionInPolicies

#WhytheFuckDidntFizzerGiveVitrixMortalisBacktoMichaelWhenDomHijackedIt???

#wtfFizzerYouCantJustChooseWhichClansToHelpAndWhichClansToNotHelp

#LifesNotFair

#how2semiceGoneWrong


Edited 5/17/2016 18:38:19

-Semice

I don't know how this is considered "vague". You can claim he's lying about it to get attention, but this is as close to proof as you're going on the internet. Either Semice is a troll who hijacks clans for jollies or he's a troll who claims to have hacked another clan for jollies. Why argue which specific kind of troll he is?

Not like I really care either way what the wolves do. I'm just not used to seeing such an impassioned defense of a troll from a well respected member of the community. Either way, this will be my last post. At best, this is a fairly minor amusement to behold. See you all on the battlefield.

Ahem...

Noooooo, Semice does my math homework