The only one here saying I have no right to even discuss the issue is Angry Koala- when you're literally calling for actions (formerly including a permanent ban from the site) to be taken against a leading member of my clan, actions that will directly affect (harm) both me and The Lost Wolves

Again exaggerating, did I ever say you had "no right to even discuss" about it?

And you are the one feeding drama here Knyte, if you paid attention my very first post in this thread I clearly said this thread was pointless: "Uservoice about one player is useless, as it has nothing to do about improving Warlight as a whole". I do not care at all about a ban. However, what I was against is you arrogantly telling others that RP leaders are shit, and you at the meantime not doing better, defending one of the worst hijacker ever, and not taking any great action against him.

It is fine to criticize others, but only when the one criticizing is also irreproachable, which isn't clearly the case here. Accept yourself critics, and do not be paranoid there isn't "mob justice", I was barely answering your own attacks.

And last but not least, frankly it is funny to see "Semice's friend" trying to defend him: "despite the lack of evidence," "Any of you genius have any actual proof saying Semice hijacked the clan ?", "I doubt that was Semice's doing". Despite all the points being against Semice made in this thread. Quite ridiculous, tbh, if this thread had more people with objective views, this thread would have been dead long ago.

This is my last participation here, was answering again and correcting some points made since some people like knyte here tend to speak on my behalf...

A little hint: if you confess and say sowwie then people have nothing left to talk about. If everyone just confessed his sins it would be easier and people are less pissed.

Why ban Semicedevine? he is just stupid 10 year kid, who is attention whore

@Dr. stupid: Fizzer can check IP addresses as well. In any case, permabans are Fizzer's thing, not mine. If you want someone to take action, why not just use the simple Report function?

Well, I said the previous post was going to be my last, so I guess that was a lie.

:(

I should clarify. I'm not pushing for a perma ban like the OP is. I frankly don't care if there's any ban at all.

As far as clans go, I don't even care what you do with Semice in terms of wolves membership goes.

I was just surprised to see:
1. That the wolves are ok with their members doing this.
2. Your impassioned defense of Semice when he had already admitted it.

This isn't a "defense of Semi." We're totally not okay with what he did, but... Playing the victim card isn't okay either. He's taking advantage of the system. He's a dick. But these people - these incredibly gullible, untrustworthy-yet-trusting managers - are letting him take advantage of the system due to their sheer idiocy. They deserve some flak too, for not only allowing this to happen, but for coming on here and bitching about something they created through their own stupidity.

If Semi even did it in the first place. Which we have no way of proving.

I'm not going to get in to a "he said, she said" thing.

This thread is totally gonna get locked.

Edited 5/21/2016 02:07:28

I think we can wrap this up by saying that Semicedevine was - allegedly - a naughty boy and he shouldn't have done what he - allegedly - did. However, the managers of the respective clans that Semicedevine - allegedlyish - "hijacked," were stupid enough to let Semi - allegedly - take their shit. Notice the word "let." There was legitimate consent to this.

Perfect NSFW Analogy - It's kind of like someone (allegedly) literally asking a significant other if they consent to sex (gaining trust like Semi did), and then having that significant other accidentally (ish) impregnated ("hijacked"). Then that significant other says that someone (Semi) should be imprisoned (perma-banned) for unexpectedly doing something that they didn't want to see happen(Impregnation/Hijacking)

Also, that's how babies are made.

*Lies*

This thread is totally gonna get locked

Edited 5/21/2016 02:07:57

That the wolves are ok with their members doing this.

Where'd you get that from? I prefaced about half my posts with some variation of "whoever's behind this is a douchebag." But my point is that RP clan leaders aren't willing enough to acknowledge that this was primarily their failure, and I've gotten a surprising amount of backlash for that given the sort of response I got when I was on the "oh shit we just got hijacked" side of this problem (https://www.warlight.net/Forum/90820-request-fix-improve-clan-system).

Choice quotes:

Why are you giving manager rights away? Why do others even need the manager rights?

- Lolowut

Managers are responsible. There is a warning on the exact page.

- Mudderducker (Apollo)

It isn't the system's fault your clan was "hijacked" it is the fault of the managers/owner you are told quite explicitly to only give rights to those you 100% trust, it's clearly a user error.

- Poseidó̱nas

I really still don't understand why so many people in a clan have to have manager rights. I also don't understand how you guys keep allowing these alts to get up so far in your clan.

...

Everytime this has happened we've critiqued the people and told them that the reason they got hijacked was due to poor management/poor decisions, and yet everytime it's deflected with: This can happen to anyone.

No, it can't happen to anyone. The first step to solving a problem is to identify there is a problem. Solve your problems so that this doesn't happen again.

- Lolowut

Speaking from personal experience, the clans I have worked with have never had problems with security in our leadership. If you ever need inspiration, look to the clans that you don't hear about getting hijacked; chances are, they're doing something right. :)

- Forbidden Knowledge

Being diplomacy clan is no excuse.

- Genghis

All I'm saying here is:

- "Hijackings" only happen to clans with bad leadership; Semice isn't the problem here- Colonel is.

- If you want to solve the problem, ramping up punishment against "hijackers" isn't enough. The first, easiest, and best step is fixing the way you handle Manager Rights.

- The Wolves are not okay with our members hijacking clans.

- The Wolves have blocked Semice from clan leadership, revoked his title privileges, and issues him a final "don't hijack or we'll kick you out" warning, pending further evidence.

- There's also a lack of conclusive evidence- Semice has very clearly spent effort building his reputation as a "hijacker" and- as he's pointed out himself- all of his own confession statements are ambiguous and possibly were intended to take credit for the hijacking without actually confessing to it.

- Semice has also linked himself to a hijacking account called The Lone Wolf. As of right now, according to Warlight, The Lone Wolf and Semice are not playing from the same state. I've also accessed The Lone Wolf's mails (in the aftermath of the CORP hijack, and with his consent) and his language + large message history don't make it seem likely that the account is actually a Semice alt. It also doesn't seem very likely that Semice would use a proxy or a VPN to hide an alleged alt that he's already claimed as his. It came as a surprise to everyone- even Death, who'd been corresponding with The Lone Wolf for quite a period of time- when The Lone Wolf was alleged to be a Semice alt.

- Given that, here's a scenario I think might be likely- Semice is a troll. Semice has been building his reputation as someone who hijacks clans. Semice misled Colonel, Zephyrum, me, and other groups here into thinking that Royal Entente had been hijacked, and deliberately made semi-ambiguous statements in the process (which seems to have backfired a bit, tbh). He joined Royal Entente with one of the pending invites that just about everyone seems to have had, took advantage of the situation to get their members to join The Lost Wolves, and now directly denies his vague confessions.

- Given the nonzero likelihood of the previous scenario, I don't think it's prudent to punish Semicedevine further without more evidence (like confirmation by Fizzer that the hijacker was on the same IP address as Semice).

- Clan "hijacking" is also not in violation of Warlight policy (under which all MR transfers seem to be equal). A permanent ban here is not warranted, regardless of who's the actual "hijacker."

Edited 5/21/2016 02:59:38

As I have alredy told some people Semice don't have an ip match with the hijacker.

That being said, writing things like "I will explain everything later" certainly implies he is more informed that the rest of us. Personally I think that Semice would have said he did the hijacking if it was him, that is what he have done in the past anyway.

For wheter a clan hijacker deserves a perm ban or nah, well the account that did the actual hijacking got one. Throgh his main account may still be around.

Edited 5/21/2016 06:23:15

Thanks, TBest. I hate to push any work onto other people, but have you checked the IP address to see if it corresponds to any known proxy IPs? (e.g., does it turn up on a Google search?)

Don't worry if that's not possible; I'm not really in a position to be dictating your investigation.

Edited 5/21/2016 06:26:04

I don't see anyones IP address. Only if it matches that of an other account.

("Possible alternate account, same IP adresse" is more or less how it is listed)

that being said, Semice never denied he was indirectly responsible of this hijacking (when I asked him in the Mail chat), hence I am sure he knows who did it, but still refuse to say who is behind this.

and I must correct you TBest, Semice did not tell us at all actually that he hijacked previous clans, it took months to finally know who really was behind "The Lone Wolf" account (well the name obviously led us to the Wolves but we did not know who really was behind it until someone revealed it).
I also remember the Lone Wolf was not alone actually there were a bunch of people wandering to different clans.

Out of curiosity, how did you link The Lone Wolf with Semice?

The problem with most people is that they tend to think of players as one person, when, in fact, many people have joint accounts with friends/siblings/cousins etc.

I myself have allowed friends to play using my accounts in the past.

The possible explanation for this is that someone or a group of people close to Semicedevine is working with him in certain areas. They are not necessarily "into" WarLight, but are party to this hijacking lark.

Just a conspiracy tho, don't turn it into a meme.

Now you are just making allegations out of thin air, colonel

knyte, don't try to defend The Lone Wolf / Semice. He has admitted to it, and he made a screenshot accidentally under The Lone Wolf's account. It's confirmed and anyone in the Attack threads can support this.

Also, I got told a few IP matches with the hijacker. They are random accounts that are in no way linked, and there are hundreds. IP check doesn't help as much as you'd think.

Finally, don't say "Semice wouldn't use a VPN for THAT..." . Semice tried to get into the UK players tournament under an alt with a VPN. He goes very far for tiny things.

Out of curiosity, why do you keep stubbornly defending Semice?

#UBlamedKazukiRefusingToBanAchilles
#KnyteRefusingToBanSemice
#BothModerationFailure
#Hypocrisy

@Ox, you could provide said screenshot please?
Also, IP check would work to check if they are linked accounts as long as VPNs or Proxy's are not being used, unless someone is running a shifting IP address. It maybe useful to try to check MAC address if that is pullable.

@Angry Koala, because he is a clan member that we feel is not deserving of this massive sh*t storm that he is receiving over allegations. How would you react in such a situation if a CORP member got accused of something like hijacking, and you believe they didn't do it, but the community does.

he made a screenshot accidentally under The Lone Wolf's account

Makes sense, then.

@japan: I saw the screenshot and can confirm it exists. Just forgot about it.

I got told a few IP matches with the hijacker. They are random accounts that are in no way linked, and there are hundreds

Was going to ask TBest then. Looks like it's a proxy IP then.

#UBlamedKazukiRefusingToBanAchilles

I blamed Kazuki for refusing to remove Achilles' MR. Semice does not have Manager Rights in TLW. No one but me does.