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M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 13:00:56


Lionel Hutz
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I agree with Buns on every point he makes. I particularly want to emphasise Mods excuse not being valid; nobody should think it's ok to do that now because he once got away with it some time ago. Whether it gives a 1% advantage or 100% advantage, it's against the rules; an insignificant advantage is still an advantage, and I hope we can all admit that much.

Norman, I only wanted M'Hunters to make it clear they accept AI has cheated and do not approve. Some of your clan members posts in this thread, namely Mike and RedBloodyKiller, suggest they're deluded into thinking otherwise. The clan should be warning AI not do this again or else then there would be more serious clan consequences such as possibly removing AI from the clan. I assume that that is what will happen as "[they] are currently about to state [their] displeasement to AI" and I think that would be fair.

As for who Hell is, it really makes no difference. Your actions are what's significant here. Do not let him goad you into his stupidity. The title of this thread summarises all he had to say which was of any real value, and you are now taking action that proves otherwise. I trust it's not disingenuous, and AI will be warned.

Thank you.

One last note, if you are correct in your assumption that Hell is this Forbidden Knowledge, a convicted cheater, then I can partially understand the need to speak up if another cheater is going seemingly unpunished. As I've said though his approach wasn't great, and you needn't trouble yourself with exposing him, but then again who am I to stop you?
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 13:13:07


Beep Beep I'm A Jeep 
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Wow guys. All this is because of me?
Yes, I stalled a game. Only one game. And I admit it. I did because I wanted to see if I can win my following games and I wanted to see how high my rating could become. I could easily name ~ 10 players on the 1v1 ladder who stall a lot of their games. I agree with you that stalling is not a good thing. But I see that there's no way out of this situation for me, which I can understand.

I knew that it's not allowed to have 2 accounts on the ladder because vitriol/knyte told me. I asked him for the rules but he didn't know where to find the "rules of the ladder...". Also I know couple of players who do/did have 2 accounts on the ladder so I said myself that it is not a that bad thing.
Later, when the game against myself was created I thought "Shit. That's bad, but what's the point in playing myself?" and so I surrendered with the lower rated account because, as I already mentioned before, I wanted to see how high my rating could become.

To sum things up, I think that my behaviour was not good and I also think that I would deserve a susoension from WarLight or the 1v1 ladder. But I think that my clan has nothing to do with it. They are great and I love and respect my clan and I would definetely understand if they would kick me, but it's no good thing to tell my clan what to do.
The pressure on me is definetely big enough because I get hate everywhere I see. You can be sure that I won't do things like this again. I really don't think that you can ever forgive me for having an undeserved rank 5 on the ladder but I hope you can and I can start over in the community here.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 13:22:49


Buns157 
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Wow guys. All this is because of me?
Yes, I stalled a game. Only one game. And I admit it. I did because I wanted to see if I can win my following games and I wanted to see how high my rating could become. I could easily name ~ 10 players on the 1v1 ladder who stall a lot of their games. I agree with you that stalling is not a good thing. But I see that there's no way out of this situation for me, which I can understand.

I knew that it's not allowed to have 2 accounts on the ladder because vitriol/knyte told me. I asked him for the rules but he didn't know where to find the "rules of the ladder...". Also I know couple of players who do/did have 2 accounts on the ladder so I said myself that it is not a that bad thing.
Later, when the game against myself was created I thought "Shit. That's bad, but what's the point in playing myself?" and so I surrendered with the lower rated account because, as I already mentioned before, I wanted to see how high my rating could become.

To sum things up, I think that my behaviour was not good and I also think that I would deserve a susoension from WarLight or the 1v1 ladder. But I think that my clan has nothing to do with it. They are great and I love and respect my clan and I would definetely understand if they would kick me, but it's no good thing to tell my clan what to do.
The pressure on me is definetely big enough because I get hate everywhere I see. You can be sure that I won't do things like this again. I really don't think that you can ever forgive me for having an undeserved rank 5 on the ladder but I hope you can and I can start over in the community here.


I was trying to stay out of this since it wont go anywhere further now unless fizzer decides to start caring, but the first part is all bs.

You stalled 3-5 games for sure, from memory from the other thread there was awol, bunny (unsure about the name), another low rated guy and tyrion.

You played yourself (doesnt take a genius to work out that influences your rating by cheating, so you should have never of joined with two).

I get you have had pages of crap typed about your ladder run (probably too much), but it doesnt help you by lying about how many games you stalled, especially when thats not what most players were on about in this thread. Since stalling has been around forever, and while its bad there is no rule saying you can not unlike multiple accounts playing at once.

Edited 5/20/2016 13:23:33
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 13:28:50


Beep Beep I'm A Jeep 
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Wow buns. I only stalled one game. Please look at my games before saying things like that. AWOL was the only game my loss was safe, there was a way out for me in the other games und against bunny was the only game I also took my time.
And I'm sorry for having multiple accounts on the ladder and I won't do it again.
But yeah I see... there's no way out for me here.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 14:52:50


ChrisCMU 
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Stalling is annoying but not cheating. I am ignoring that part here and focusing on the actual rule violation. You cannot play two accounts on a ladder. That alone is cheating. Playing yourself only makes it even worse.

If Fizzer does not suspend you then he is being inconsistent and will encourage further alt cheating.

What he should do is put in an optional feature to allow people to play more than one slot in a game on the same team. Then just git rid of alts entirely. It would certainly hurt some people who use them for other things (and dont cheat) like being in two clans, but it would also get rid of lots of headaches

Edited 5/20/2016 14:53:14
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 15:53:54


Buns157 
Level 68
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@semice normally its because I've forgot a point I want to add in, but other times it is just my terrible English ;)

@AI Lets see shall we?

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11067510 - Awol
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11035835 - Bunny

These ones you purposelessly played past the point where it was obvious you lost, taking 2 days + a turn

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11145264 - Lino

This one after realising you lost on a turn took you 3 days to the hit surrender, which to be fair could just be you thinking it through and realising you're screwed.

Like I said, stalling wont get you any punishment and will be forgotten but why continue to lie?
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 15:57:05


Buns157 
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Just to note, I wouldnt bother with this normally since stalling is just a common thing. But did previously since it added further bs to you using another account and that you lied about how many.

Like I said before, I want to stop bothering with this since nothing will happen about the multi account issue and that was the only thing I wanted to see a consequence for.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 16:03:16


Beep Beep I'm A Jeep 
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I don't lie about the stalled games buns, in my opinion I did just stall the one against AWOL ...

I got a warning and I had to write "I understand" in a little white box which means that I agree to not do things like this again.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 16:07:14


Buns157 
Level 68
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Alright all is cool then.

Hopefully this thread now dies.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 16:09:53


Sephiroth
Level 61
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Now everyone knows how bad and low you are
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 23:02:07


LoshadinyiHren
Level 54
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everyone knows that Sephiroth is a random clown.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 23:24:56


TBest 
Level 60
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^Indeed.

Here is a step by step guide on how to get on his B-list.

1. Win a 1v1 against him.
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 23:30:22


Farah♦ 
Level 61
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Sephi is everyone's favorite porco dio, don't hate :o
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/20/2016 23:32:58


TBest 
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That's Baaaaaad
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/21/2016 00:27:26


Angry Koala
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porco dio? is it some Italian porn?
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/21/2016 02:53:40


LoshadinyiHren
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no, its a french football player :)
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/21/2016 17:25:08


King Crimson
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Sephiroth is a noob. The same with his clan. Everyone knows #Elite! is the best!
M'Hunters approves of ladder cheating: 5/21/2016 17:49:51


♆♆♆ RedBloodyKiller ♆♆♆
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HMM first F*** all as***** and Racists in this game and second end this thread already =)
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