I think what you've done with the US is actually a lot better than it was, the map is more aesthetically pleasing and i would assume it will be more balanced so well done

I feel like Germany, UK, Pakistan and Japan could use more splitting, and probably São Paulo in Brazil too. Their crazy riches is very, VERY unnoticeable in the map.

Particularly Japan. It's so overnerfed...

Map is progressing really well, though. Too hyped to play it ^^

Name fix:

denver -> Denver
(just improper capitalization in the territory name)

Edited 3/19/2016 00:39:29

Why did you remove all the territories from the US? Now it's too small and looked weird compared to other countries.

That was actually the reason; I thought it looked out of place next to canada and mexico, which both have bigger territories.

It also balanced out the incomes of major countries. The difference in income between the US and the next biggest country, china, is now about 50 armies rather than about 200, which I beleive is more favorable for diplomacy games.

I feel like Germany, UK, Pakistan and Japan could use more splitting, and probably São Paulo in Brazil too. Their crazy riches is very, VERY unnoticeable in the map.

Particularly Japan. It's so overnerfed...

I already redid germany, this time it's really broken down as much as possible.

I'll look at the other places you suggested and see if I can split them some more :)

Edited 3/19/2016 00:41:33

Also, this is the current working version, not the link from the last page:

https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=53711

Make sure you look at this one, when you're suggesting changes, sorry for all these different versions :D

Edited 3/19/2016 00:48:01

Some US states have the GDPs of countries. They should be divided. This version sucks and it's a huge disappointment. You fucked up Imperator.

It is totally true; Even the poorest state, Vermont, has a GDP higher than 100 sovereign states.

However, you have to understand that most warlight players are anti-american, and they have no hesitation in giving me a bad review.

There are some practical reasons as well, such as that diplomacy games are more enjoyable with more balanced incomes, and that while the GDPs of states are equal to some rich countries, GDP isn't the only measure that has to be used.

Yes, Texas is as rich as australia, but Australia has their own military and an area almost ten times more than texass'. Yes, california is almost as rich as the UK, but again, the UK has the 5th most powerful military in the world.

Also, Reported^^

I just saw the edits you made, they are really good and will make for a much more balanced map! I am now comfortable saying this will be the best map in WL history, maybe in competition with Super Diplomacy World, but since Fizzer wouldn't let it go up, I have to give that title to this map!

Thanks :) If you have more suggestions be sure to let me know. I may not do them right away, but I will definitely think about them and I may do them in the future.

You went too far with the territory reduction in the US. Some of the whole states can still be split. Washington being one territory while neighboring British Columbia is three territories doesn't look right. Arizona and New Mexico look too big compared to Mexico's territories. I recommend splitting a few more states in two if you want to find a balance. You can always nerf the bonuses; reducing territories is far more extreme.

Look at China and Brazil for example. They're so much more dense than the US, even though they have roughly the same GDP density. It's painfully obvious you tried to weaken the US. It doesn't look natural at all.

I think Quebec and Iqaluit should connect, I mean, they are so close on the map.

Spain:
http://i.imgur.com/pUivuhu.png

I've counted 18 coast territories where the coastline could be reduced, but Bilbao was the most extreme one.

Edited 3/19/2016 12:23:45

Can I suggest a connection from Portugal to somewhere, say, Morocco, France or UK via sea? Just give them a connection to somewhere, I always hated Portugal usually stuck as Spain's lapdog on most of the maps.

EDIT: Also, how about adding Malta?

Edited 3/19/2016 13:10:58

You went too far with the territory reduction in the US. Some of the whole states can still be split. Washington being one territory while neighboring British Columbia is three territories doesn't look right.

British columbia is huge compared to washington. Specifically, almost five times as large (364,764 mi² vs. 71,362 mi²). IMO it makes complete sense.

Arizona and New Mexico look too big compared to Mexico's territories. I recommend splitting a few more states in two if you want to find a balance.

I've tried to split the richest states, while leaving the rest as one per territory, which is the exact same logic I've used for everywhere else, including Mexico, china, and brazil. Granted, a lot of subdivisions in those countries were massive and thus had to be split (take a look at xinjiang in china or Amazonas in brazil). Here is a list of states by GDP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP

I could see splitting illinois into two, as well as possibly ohio or pennsylvania (I probably will do this later on). I believe that how I had every state split into two or three before was a little bit over the top though.

You can always nerf the bonuses; reducing territories is far more extreme.

I hate to use different standards for each country, as this allows too much room for my personal biases to come into play. It's far better to use one Scale to set everything.

Look at China and Brazil for example. They're so much more dense than the US, even though they have roughly the same GDP density. It's painfully obvious you tried to weaken the US. It doesn't look natural at all.

Only the east of china, the east of brazil, and the west of russia are more dense. The rest of the territories are honestly more akin to the size of the ones in the Western US. In fact, the US has this effect going on as well; The territories in the east are much smaller than the ones in the west, and this simply reflects the reality of population distribution.

In the US, 60% of the population lives east of the mississippi

In Brazil, The majority of people live in the northeast and southeast regions

In russia, 80% of the population lives in European russia

In china, there is an imaginary line that 94% of people live east of (https://cac-ib-geography.wikispaces.com/file/view/china_map_copy.png/44561883/china_map_copy.png)

I think Quebec and Iqaluit should connect, I mean, they are so close on the map.

Sounds good. I'll add it later when I'm doing edits :)

Spain:
http://i.imgur.com/pUivuhu.png

I've counted 18 coast territories where the coastline could be reduced, but Bilbao was the most extreme one.

I can look at this later on, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have put a circle there if it wasn't needed...

Can I suggest a connection from Portugal to somewhere, say, Morocco, France or UK via sea? Just give them a connection to somewhere, I always hated Portugal usually stuck as Spain's lapdog on most of the maps.

EDIT: Also, how about adding Malta?

The problem is that little part of spain cutting off portugal from the bay of biscay. This pretty much takes out the possibility of a conenction going north. I could add one to Gibraltar or morocco though.

I can totally add malta, I just missed it because it's so damn small :P

Edited 3/19/2016 15:06:50

Mongolia is huge on this map for being a barren wasteland with only 3 million people. The Baltic countries are split into two. Your logic with the US does not line up with the rest of the map.

Splitting more states would be great, you need to find a balance between the old version and this version.

Aesthetically, the larger bonuses in the USA looks slightly less beautiful, BUT it was a massive jump towards balance and, in general, fun in the map. Probably one of the best updates so far.

Also, just checked newest version. UK and Germany looking considerably better and stronger! Well done.

On the splits section, I think those can be re-organized:

Japan (most territories can be split in half)
Italy (Milan, Florence and maybe Rome can be split)
Spain (could split Catalonia from Aragon. Territory is big, region is rich and would help a lot in templatemaking; Sevilla also is splittable, but no real big reason to do it)
Czech Republic (not sure if it can be done, but if possible, a Bohemia-Moravia split would be good)
Poland (Warsaw is pretty big - it's great as is, but if it can be split east-west, would improve partition scenarios such as WW1)
France (Strasbourg could be split or reorganized to fit in more specially as Alsace-Lorraine, for reasons like the above)

Territories that just don't seem right:

Los Angeles (enclave-like port; will make pacific navigation more clumped than it already is. Have it connect to more than one non-island territory)
"British Indian cean Territory" (typo in title)
The entirety of Mongolia (it's territories are tinier than the much richer russian/chinese neighboring provinces; merge them up. Mongolia stands at 20 income right now, with 11,52 bi, while Finland, for one, has 267,3 bi and 19 income. Most of these can be merged; also, the far western mongolian territory has it's name start without a capital letter)

The Antartica issue
Fast way to travel between continents through a VERY weirdly shaped cluster of territories.

Antartica has a whopping 12 income over a GDP of... 0.

If Antartica stays, it's income should be all together, 0. Seriously; having Antartica richer than Belgium is very weird. Or better yet, make it full of -1 bonuses instead, for exploring there is costly and it pays back 0 money.

In addition, New Zealand's claims should be connected. Probably disrupts navigation a bit, but Antartica is more like a circle shape; these territories, in reality, are actually two parts of the same boring NZ claim.

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On another note, are the bonuses that indicate countries with more than 1 territory coming back?

Mongolia is huge on this map for being a barren wasteland with only 3 million people. The Baltic countries are split into two. Your logic with the US does not line up with the rest of the map.

The Baltic countries all have values equal to what they would have with just one territory, I've just added two for more flexibility in creating scenarios:

Lithuania: two territories worth two each, 4 total.

Lithuania GDP: 45.93 billion USD, or 4

Latvia: one territory worth 3, another worth 4, 4 total

Latvia GDP: 31.97 billion USD, or 4

Mongolia probably should be redone, but this is an inconsistency with mongolia rather than the rest of the map.

Splitting more states would be great, you need to find a balance between the old version and this version.

I probably will split illinois at least, and possibly some other rich states like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Los Angeles (enclave-like port; will make pacific navigation more clumped than it already is. Have it connect to more than one non-island territory)

I'll try connecting it to Alaska maybe? I'm not sure...

The Antartica issue
Fast way to travel between continents through a VERY weirdly shaped cluster of territories.

Antartica has a whopping 12 income over a GDP of... 0.

If Antartica stays, it's income should be all together, 0. Seriously; having Antartica richer than Belgium is very weird. Or better yet, make it full of -1 bonuses instead, for exploring there is costly and it pays back 0 money.

Antartica does have a good amount of oil and fresh water, which could warrant having actual bonuses there. Not sure though, I may make them -1's

Also, you can't really compare the income of antartica to countries, because come on, it's a damn continent :D

In addition, New Zealand's claims should be connected. Probably disrupts navigation a bit, but Antartica is more like a circle shape; these territories, in reality, are actually two parts of the same boring NZ claim.

I'll definitely add this.

On another note, are the bonuses that indicate countries with more than 1 territory coming back?

Possibly. I may add them back in as black circles or something else on top of or near countries.

After a closer look, I have concluded that the US is not consistent with other superpowers like Russia and China. East China and West Russia have many small territories, whereas the Eastern Unites States, which is far more prosperous GDP-wise than Western Russia, is divided into states.

You're definitely going for balance over consistency, which is fine but not preferable. Diplomacy makers usually change the settings to make it more balanced so reducing the territories to what you've done wasn't necessary. I can make the slots more equal by increasing the base income.

The US is a huge country with a lot of geographic features, it is not necessarily easy to invade and conquer. It looks like you've got this down for Russia and China but not for the US.

Edited 3/19/2016 18:15:53

Here's my suggestions territory splitting in a few areas - some may have been already suggested, so bear with me if that's the case :P

Ireland: http://imgur.com/7LbF0rI

Maramaros region between Hungary and Ukraine: http://imgur.com/7bD7JU5

France(a lot of editing): http://imgur.com/QteRnza

Syria: http://imgur.com/bBk7nxe

Japan and Sakhalin Island: http://imgur.com/DQ3hXv7

Greece: http://imgur.com/u4j4LBx

Petsamo region between Finland and Russia: http://imgur.com/A2iKcuu

Serbia: http://imgur.com/tkhhSVE

...paint ftw.

After a closer look, I have concluded that the US is not consistent with other superpowers like Russia and China. East China and West Russia have many small territories, whereas the Eastern Unites States, which is far more prosperous GDP-wise than Western Russia, is divided into states.

You're definitely going for balance over consistency, which is fine but not preferable. Diplomacy makers usually change the settings to make it more balanced so reducing the territories to what you've done wasn't necessary. I can make the slots more equal by increasing the base income.

Like I said, I'll split some of the eastern states some more. However, I think the version I previously had was too overdone.

Here's my suggestions territory splitting in a few areas - some may have been already suggested, so bear with me if that's the case :P

Ireland: http://imgur.com/7LbF0rI

Maramaros region between Hungary and Ukraine: http://imgur.com/7bD7JU5

France(a lot of editing): http://imgur.com/QteRnza

Syria: http://imgur.com/bBk7nxe

Japan and Sakhalin Island: http://imgur.com/DQ3hXv7

Greece: http://imgur.com/u4j4LBx

Petsamo region between Finland and Russia: http://imgur.com/A2iKcuu

Serbia: http://imgur.com/tkhhSVE

...paint ftw.

A few of theses seem practical, such as for syria and Japan (Both of which people have actually suggested to me before), but most of them would leave territories too small. I have a circle i'm using as a guide for territory size (I believe it's in northern Myanmar at this point), so maybe you can try to redo your suggestions but keeping that in mind?

California is more prosperous than Texas and Texas has four territories; I suggest another territory is added to California and Los Angeles is freed from its enclave. I also suggest that Washington and Oregon be split as those states have high GDP. The American West Coast in general has high GDP especially compared to other coasts that have more territories.