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Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 02:49:09

Boromir
Level 41
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I know what happens to clans with no players in them; they fall through the gaps of the system never to be seen again. And even now there are clans with players that haven't played for eons.
It is a waste.
There are many people out there who could put these dead clans to use. Clans shouldn't just die, but be put out there for someone to revive. Put criteria or whatever to choose who is suitable.
I personally do not know what is required to start a new clan, but I think I do know that there is a cost involved. It then is somewhat understandable that they are not passed on, but why waste them? They could at least be deleted.

What do others think about this?

[x]Keatron
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 02:53:41

PoorRichard
Level 29
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Just give them to Lone Wolf so he can stop trying to hijack other clans.
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 03:54:30


Diplomatic Immunity 
Level 54
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^
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 03:54:49


Des {TJC}
Level 58
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^^
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 03:59:19


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
Level 58
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I think because someone pays money with them, so Fizzer can't delete them, or give manager rights to someone. this is unfortunate but it is just the way it has to be :/.

Also if the people that actually make this "dead" clans actually made sure they had good leadership when they left Warlight then we wouldn't have this problem.

all it takes to make a clan is $15 and a name
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 04:02:23


Jessie Jane
Level 35
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If he put a message in when you bought a clan that it can be deleted if certain things happen, I think he could legally delete a clan.
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 04:36:19


Diplomatic Immunity 
Level 54
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Would that work? ^
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 04:40:30


Genghis 
Level 54
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He should consider selling "used" clans. Sell them cheaper, can't change name though? Huh?
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 04:58:35

Mr_Jenius
Level 34
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Diplomatic Immunity/Jessie Jane, I believe it would legally, however only clans made after he said this (By said this I mean implemented into a terms, it is actually likely already in terms) , and it would devalue clans in the sense that they could be worth less to the player if it might not be under their control forever, which means they might not want to pay 15$.

Also though I do believe he has the right to deform or do anything he wants with any clan at any point, usually things like this will be in terms of service to help avoid ANY future problems.

Also Genghis considering name changes are possible at any point it is possible that clans might also rotate on the same programming that would make this possible, however it might have to be manual, that or he'd have to program it all in which would take some time

Of course I really don't know a whole lot about all this so I could be wrong on everything, but just some possibilities :)

Edited 10/30/2015 05:04:24
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 06:16:17

[wolf]japan77
Level 57
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Well, they are currently still "in existence", even if the clan lacks having anybody.
He could probably resell the ones that lack anyone at a lower price without implementing name changes, or he could restrict some things within clan options.
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 10:39:30


Epicular
Level 46
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Also Genghis considering name changes are possible at any point it is possible that clans might also rotate on the same programming that would make this possible, however it might have to be manual, that or he'd have to program it all in

Fizzer usually denies clan renames, however I have heard of a few special circumstances where he would allow it
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 11:07:54


Benjamin628 
Level 59
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are you in the [X] clan that Gui made?
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 12:50:51


The 1e Orange
Level 20
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https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=170

This clan is currently not in use, but...

If you have an idea to make good use of this clan, please sent a mail to us both with a fully worked-out concept.

Best idea will be chosen.
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 14:39:19


Judeburger 
Level 59
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I don't see a problem with old unused clans, and see no reason to put much effort into reviving them. New clans are a good revenue opportunity for warlight, and well worth the $15. This is a small business that offers free entertainment, and it will only thrive if the users find ways to fund it.

If you're too cheap to shell out at most a few hours worth of your paycheck to make your own clan, I guess you could try to take over an unused existing clan. I don't see the fun in that though, the whole point of a clan is to create your own group identity.
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 20:55:47


Angry Panda
Level 33
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I already suggested it many times, and even posted this idea in the "ask about anything #3" and Fizzer replied about this (in the very end of the online streaming conversation), and said it would never be implemented.
I even suggested to take control of these dead clans for some dollars (then it would be a win win situation for all of us), or be able to change a clan's name as well for some money, but well he just ignored about my suggestion, so you see do not expect about this to be implemented in the near future, one advice: vote in the Uservoice about clans (if Fizzer still ever pays attention about this)

Edited 10/30/2015 21:07:28
Dead & Unused Clans: 10/30/2015 21:06:03


Nogals 
Level 58
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no point in this discussion

Also if the people that actually make this "dead" clans actually made sure they had good leadership when they left Warlight then we wouldn't have this problem.


Mighty Speck did a great job of explaining it
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/5/2015 02:29:11

Boromir
Level 41
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No, I'm not in a clan. The [x] is simply to (a) Identify me with my alt(because I can't use the other one as readily as this one, I created this), and (b) Identify me with my clan tag in SpringRTS. I am interested in a clan, but was just curious about what people thought about this. Was mainly wondering why they weren't deleted, as that will turn out to be some kind of memory leak - ish. Who knows what will happen anyway
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/5/2015 02:35:28

E Masterpierround
Level 56
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If you're too cheap to shell out at most a few hours worth of your paycheck


Some of us are students who are more worried about whether or not we can afford to eat pizza at least once this month, a Warlight clan would be far too much of a luxury.
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/5/2015 02:51:11


Ξ Nanaimo
Level 56
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I don't know if anyone remembers this, but Fizzer did delete a clan once (that I know of), about 18 months ago. It was a clan about small penises I believe..
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/5/2015 04:16:55


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
Level 58
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well, that breaks Warlight's code of conduct so i'm not surprised it got deleted.
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/5/2015 14:22:33


ChrisCMU 
Level 60
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Smart idea on re-selling a dead clan (no members) at a discount. Fizzer could sell a 'used' clan for half price or something and double dip on it. Or hold a tournament to compete for them (and don't allow people currently in a clan). Something like that.

Trouble is there has to be an owner of the clan currently, even if it has no members. Doesn't some account own it?

Edited 11/5/2015 14:23:41
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/5/2015 14:28:34


knyte 
Level 58
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Since ownership is transferred through Manager Rights, it either belongs to:

(a) the initial buyer (defaults to them if no one else has it, since they paid for it)

(b) the last group of people to hold Manager Rights in the clan (last owners)

(c) no one

The clan resale idea is only viable in situation (c). Also, I think it's not that preferable for Fizzer because people might then start buying used clans instead of creating new ones for full price. I doubt the remnants of these clans consume enough resources to be a problem for Fizzer anyway, and since they're not in the clan list they don't even clutter the interface.
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/5/2015 14:42:04


ChrisCMU 
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I agree, you can't do anything if someone actually owns it.

If nobody does, I could see him doing it as a prize in a tournament. No, they don't take up any 'space' and I am sure it does not bother him to have ones without owners. But, he could use them (as a prize) to promote a new feature (like a bomb card, for example). Or perhaps use them as a reward for something else that helps the site (some sort of code, graphic, etc).
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/10/2015 01:27:56

Boromir
Level 41
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Interesting way of looking at it. It could indeed have promotional value, and as a reward that could entice more, more serious players. If the reward was only for those who were Warlight members, that would almost move be to become a member. Too bad I have to use two accounts, because one of them is not always accessible to me and the other won't always be available for me :(. Seriously if not for that I would seriously consider getting a membership. But that's another discussion...

I'm mainly talking about the completely unused, empty clans here, because the others... unless you can contact the clan manager, they're gonna stay that way.

On a side note, can anyone tell me if, where and what kind of clan ranking system(s) are in place? Currently looking for a clan to join, I'm curious for a truly objective view because members sugarcoat their clans too much
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/10/2015 01:37:51


skull11244
Level 58
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looking at your favorite map, i would say DARKLORDS

just my opinion though
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/10/2015 01:41:18

Boromir
Level 41
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Hey, that's more or less a joke, my favourite map. It's just that I played like 10 games on it against lvl 50 or so players and I won 8 of them, the other two were draws. That day, by only winning on that map I went from level 20-24. I just wanted to make a statement. I don't really have a favourite map - I play anything that has variety and isn't MASSIVE - hate commandeering a massive front line. What's darklords like?

P.S. I'm interested in a really supportive and team-spirited clan

Edited 11/10/2015 01:48:31
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/10/2015 03:27:33


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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Darklods is the biggest clan in warlight ... because they accept everyone.

If you want a team-spirited clan you might look at The Poon Squad.

but if they still aren't what you are looking for just look in the clan page until you see a clan that you'll think will benefit you.

https://www.warlight.net/Clans/List

Also there are some Elite Clans that only accept a little amount of players, other then that there isn't really a ranking system for clans.

Edited 11/10/2015 03:55:21
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/10/2015 03:31:44

Boromir
Level 41
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Cool, will do.

Edited 11/10/2015 03:33:41
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/26/2015 00:16:27


[NL] Lord Jayko Targaryen
Level 61
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https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=204

^ Someone bought a clan and then decided it wasn't what he wanted...


https://www.warlight.net/Clans/?ID=210

^ This one is new since today.
Dead & Unused Clans: 11/26/2015 12:43:37


[LN][EU] The Prussian
Level 22
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My suggestion is that when all clan members have been inactive for over 20 days, the clan is removed from the clan list. It is still there. But everyone else can no longer see it. If one of the members becomes active again the clan will reappear and start existing again.
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