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Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 06:38:47

inquisitor
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Thank you for 187 players who participated in this poll. Here is the poll result.

Chart and Comparison
(Votes for "I don't know/mind" are excluded in the comparisons)

SR = Straight Round
WR = Weighted Random




Raw Result





The original poll thread
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/110747-u-prefer-straight-round-weighted-random

Edited 10/9/2015 19:52:08
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 06:48:36


[WM] Gnuffone 
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looks like fizzer was more or less right about then ;)
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 07:23:13


master of desaster 
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Awesome that this has been made sticky already, because it seems to fit to what fizzer said. No idea what went wrong here, but i know that an official poll on this would have an entirely different outcome.

WP fizzer. You can say now we had our poll. If there was another outcome in this, you would never have made this sticky
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 07:37:07


Strategos
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Gnuff's alts voted SR. That's 50 votes.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 07:37:33


THE PLAGUE
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thanks for all the effort you put into organising the poll, even if some aren't happy with the results. I am sure everyone appreciates the fact you did it.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 07:43:23


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Anyway, like I said this poll was incomplete.

First, the ladders have had three recent luck settings: 16% WR, 0% WR, and 0% SR. This is what should be voted on.

Second, some people play the ladders without even knowing the luck settings. There should be a prerequisite question: What are the current luck settings on the ladders? If you don't know, you can't vote.

Third, people can vote muliple times. Gnuff always votes multiple times for things he is adamant about. A poll that prohibits this should be used.

Fourth, not everyone knows how luck settings influence attacks. There should be prerequisite questions about this. If you can't get 60% correct, you can't vote.

Edited 10/9/2015 14:21:58
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 07:46:17


master of desaster 
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This poll is irrelevant but fizzer will take it as proof. Gnuff voting with alts might be an explanation for those results
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 07:47:33


[WM] Gnuffone 
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i don't give a shit about 1v1 ladder setting, i am not playing soon anyway.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 10:34:41


Epicular
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Oh, cool, the not-so-official poll with clear issues in preventing people from voting multiple times showed up about 50-50 for the 1v1 ladder.

Now how bout Fizzer responds to the uservoice which is the sixth most voted on idea? https://warlight.uservoice.com/forums/77051-warlight-features/suggestions/9945369-bring-the-old-1vs1-ladder-back
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 12:48:06

Quicksand 
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Oh, cool Qi voted with all his alts in the poll, so SR lost
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 15:27:41


MoOoOoOoO
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i did not know about this poll
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 15:35:59


Kenny • apex 
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I didn't vote in this poll because it was incomplete like Gui said. Waste of time imo.

For example: I would prefer 0% WR on the 2v2 ladder if it were 4 picks. 0% SR if it's 2-3 picks, because you will lack intel, thus should be able to not be punished for moving around the map.

I prefer 0% WR on the 1v1 ladder, if the map is moved to MME, then I don't care what luck settings there are, I don't like the map for 1v1s.

If we're going about just in general for a WarLight game, then neither, I prefer the luck settings to match the template's goals.

Edited 10/9/2015 15:38:41
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 15:38:46


Nogals 
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I don't trust the poll due to the creators agenda. First time I see it as well. Frizzer should set up a poll though and have all the players who can join the ladder vote.

Personally Im all for SR, it adds a different dynamic. It used to be the same players on top and now that is changing and warlight is evolving. I hate probability, I can be happy to know my opponent beat me because he had better calculation skills rather than he/she just won because I lost against a neutral.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 15:52:38


Rogue Nikolai Krogius
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^
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 16:34:58


Norman 
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I can be happy to know my opponent beat me because he had better calculation skills rather than he/she just won because I lost against a neutral.

That's the spirit.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 16:57:50


TBest 
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I am disappointed with the poll..... The " ------------- "only got 5 votes :( And I voted twice... so only 3 votes apart from me.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 17:01:52


ps 
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what poll are you talking about? i saw no mention to any such poll on the forum threads and i follow them regularly.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 19:50:53

inquisitor
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what poll are you talking about? i saw no mention to any such poll on the forum threads and i follow them regularly.


The original poll thread:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/110747-u-prefer-straight-round-weighted-random

I'm surprised my poll result thread got stickied. My original poll did not get stickied, and if my memory serves, there were 7 stickies on the "Forum Posts" board at that time, leaving only 1 slot for one other thread. I tried my best to bump the poll every day, so more players could see it and vote on it, making their voice heard. Still my poll thread sank fast. People who don't visit the forums directly often might have missed it.

It would have been much better if my poll got stickied too, but I think the result was not too bad. I got 187 players to vote despite the constraints that I faced.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 19:53:12


ps 
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ah, i think i do recall seeing it before after all.
title might not have been the best to call to action, missing the poll keyword.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 20:01:24


master of desaster 
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you got 187 votes, not 187 Players who voted. also it's obvious why it's sticky. the result fitted to what fizzer wants us to believe.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 20:31:37

inquisitor
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I am disappointed with the poll..... The " ------------- "only got 5 votes :( And I voted twice... so only 3 votes apart from me.


Hahaha... so you are one of the trolls. XD

Well you voted twice but it does not mean it will be counted twice. That poll has an anti-cheat system in place. Your second vote will simply be discarded if the system detects it.

Worst case: The identities of 4 trolls are still unknown.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 20:49:09


Epicular
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Now that Fizzer finally has a glimmer of proof that the community is in his favor, he will shove this poll in our faces whenever we question him about WR/SR. gg guys, Fizzer wins.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/9/2015 21:09:00

Burning River
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Epicular, nice work in 1vs1 ladder
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/10/2015 20:09:30

inquisitor
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@THE PLAGUE
thanks for all the effort you put into organising the poll, even if some aren't happy with the results. I am sure everyone appreciates the fact you did it.


You are welcome.

@ps
ah, i think i do recall seeing it before after all.
title might not have been the best to call to action, missing the poll keyword.


Did you vote? No?
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/10/2015 21:55:02

inquisitor
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Responses to a few points made in the thread

this poll was incomplete


I think it is worth mentioning why I created this poll in the first place. You know many players were in rage when the developer pushed the changes on ladders, with the most complaining about the change from WR to SR. Since this change is so controversial, I'm curious to know which one people actually prefer. That's why we have this poll.

This poll is not meant to find out the majority preference of every single setting, so yes it is incomplete, but it is never its purpose.

16% WR, 0% WR, and 0% SR. This is what should be voted on.


1v1 ladder has been 0% luck long time ago. Only 2v2 ladder was 16% luck, but I don't see anyone complaining about that being removed. In fact people were complaining why 2v2 ladder was still at 16% luck. I think this is a welcome change.

What's more it would only split the votes of WR even if it was included. I think it would be rare for someone who prefers SR would vote 16% WR instead.

Anyway does anyone want 16% SR/WR in ladder games? Voice your choice. Maybe I can make another poll if we see a big demand for them.

There should be prerequisite questions about this.


It could happen to both sides, and it is their personal preference after all. People can like or dislike something. It hasn't to be 100% rational. I don't think we should judge/challenge their choices.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/10/2015 21:58:32


master of desaster 
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do you really think this poll wasn't rigged? do you believe in making another poll would Change anything? Fizzer made a decision and after that, he promised that he would set up a poll if the uservoice would be big enough. Now you took that work from him with an unnofficial poll, that turned official now, cause the result pleased fizzer.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/10/2015 22:32:30

Skilled
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The poll could be rigged either way, but it is not accurate because people who don't know what is sr or wr could vote and people can vote more than once.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/10/2015 22:46:33

inquisitor
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people can vote muliple times.


This poll has an anti-cheat system in place. You are not allowed to vote more than once. Even if you do, your votes will be discarded. Having said that, the system is not 100% solid. If someone is so determined to cheat, they could bypass it (let's not go into details how to cheat). But that is the problem of any Internet polls and the like. There is no sure-fire way to prevent this.

However I think the number of fraudulent votes should be low. Why?

Because I believe no single player is so ill-minded to cheat massively to twist the result.
Why do you want to do it anyway?
This poll is never official.
This poll didn't even get a sticky.
This poll has no actual effect.
Not that the developer said this poll would determine the fate of the ladders blah blah blah...
(If it were the case, it would have provided good incentive for any player from either side to cheat.)

It takes much time and effort to cheat, man!!
No one knows in advance it would be in the spotlight when the result was released.
It is possible the result thread draws litte attention, and is forgotten by the community after 1 day.

Edited 10/10/2015 22:57:35
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/10/2015 22:54:24


master of desaster 
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Why do you want to do it anyway?
This poll is never official.
This poll didn't even get a sticky.
This poll has no actual effect.


nobody cared about the poll. but the results are sticky now and it has the effect that fizzer can just Claim that we had our poll he promised due to the uservoice.
Poll Result: Straight Round vs Weighted Random: 10/10/2015 22:57:46

Skilled
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How to vote multiple times: 1. change your ip 2. clear history and cookies 3. vote

yeah I don't think that many people will vote too many times but even 1 person can twist the result with such a low sample.

I think however think this poll is biased and should not be used as an accurate source of info. It could go either way; over-voted wr or over-voted sr.
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