We're having some minor problems in SC right now. Something about a flag being removed

http://www.theonion.com/article/south-carolina-defends-right-to-fly-hardees-flag-f-31881

I've said it once and I'll say it again: People need to get thicker skin and stop being offended by square pieces of fabric.

(Also, shouldn't this be in off-topic?)

Nah, Hardee's owns Warlight so this is quite relevant

Just like how you shouldn't be offended by a tiny rectangular clan icon right Eklipse?....

Just like how you shouldn't be offended by a tiny rectangular clan icon right Eklipse?

There's a difference between something that's blatantly vulgar and means the same thing to everyone;and an assortment of colors and shapes that means vastly different things to different people.

It's also worth pointing out that I wasn't offended by your clan icon so much as I didn't believe Warlight was the proper place for it.

So you're the Warlight police?

Nope, just an armed and responsible member of the Warlight Citizen Militia. Welcome to the American South, Pooncrew, where sex is more offensive than slavery!

And where Confederate symbols are ambiguous because some white people don't think they're racist! :D

UP NEXT: "I don't think Straight Pride is homophobic." and "WHAT? No, there's nothing wrong with burning a cross in a ni- black person's backyard dressed like a ghost in a pointy hat!"

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@knyte, to be fair, I think it was usually their front yard.

Nope, just an armed and responsible member of the Warlight Citizen Militia. Welcome to the American South, Pooncrew, where sex is more offensive than slavery!

And where Confederate symbols are ambiguous because some white people don't think they're racist! :D

Sex is more offensive than slavery? I've never implied that in the slightest. I even said I wasn't offended by the Poonsquad icon, I just didn't believe Warlight was the right place for it considering we have people of all ages here. (Also not everyone likes sex shoved in their face when playing a strategy game.)

Also, don't preach about Confederate symbols being racist while defending the use of the Imperial Japanese flag. You're being a major hypocrite.

Your entire post was nothing but lame assumptions and a horribly built straw-man. Are you trolling by chance?

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Look, I've clarified this before, but it looks like you just want to repeat the only thing you've got to say:

The Rising Sun flag does not belong to Imperial Japan or imperialists in general. It was neither created by Imperial Japan nor adopted as the official flag of Imperial Japan. In fact, the modern Japanese flag has just as much a claim to the title of "Imperial Japanese flag" since it was the actual official flag of the Empire of Japan.

Oh, just like how the swastika does not belong to Germany, but it was still flown while millions were persecuted!

You can't use a scapegoat like that, knyte. It's pathetic.

The swastika does not belong to Germany. Are you going to go to India and tell the Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains that they can't use a symbol of dharmic religions just because a bunch of genocidal fascists decided to appropriate it?

Like the swastika, the Rising Sun flag existed for centuries before it was appropriated by imperialists- for 5 years. Like the swastika, the Rising Sun flag is used today in contexts completely unrelated to imperialism.

It is not an imperialist flag by any stretch of the imagination.

Unlike those two symbols, however, the Confederate Battle Flag was created explicitly for the use of the Confederacy. It's inextricably tied to the Confederacy because it is inherently a Confederate symbol, not just someone else's symbol that was used by the Confederacy.

You cannot in any seriousness equate the swastika that adorns the portraits of my dead religious grandparents with the Confederate flag.

But I guess that, by your logic, my anti-colonialist refugee grandparents were fascists who wanted nothing more than the genocide of Jews.

Okay, so you're saying that because it's historically engraved, that the war crimes committed under it are null in regards to it? I'm not advocating for a ban of the swastika or the rising sun flag, but you should learn to accept the responsibility and burden of many atrocities unto these flags and symbols.

The Confederacy owned slaves, big deal. Their labor was unbelievably luxurious compared to men forced to march to their death in a jungle, innocent children being forced into a mock shower or young women having to give up all of their belongings and dig their own graves. I'd be a slave who is at least fed decent portions and does productive labor rather a person who could die in the next hour.

In regards to your grandparents, it really matters most on how the swastika is angled. If at 90 degrees, it is completely fine, but if under 45,it should be considered no better than hitler's flag.

Okay, so you're saying that because it's historically engraved, that the war crimes committed under it are null in regards to it? I'm not advocating for a ban of the swastika or the rising sun flag, but you should learn to accept the responsibility and burden of many atrocities unto these flags and symbols.

These symbols can be used in the context of imperialism or fascism. However, that does not make every one of their uses an instance of support for imperialism or fascism, nor does it make their users responsible for imperialism or fascism or require them to (somehow?) bear the burden of imperialism or fascism that they did not commit, did not benefit from, and do not condone.

The Confederacy owned slaves, big deal.

I completely agree. I don't think slavery was actually an atrocious violation of human rights. Similarly, I would agree that rape isn't that bad- because, hey, at least you're not being killed.

In fact, the only really bad thing in the world is the absolute worst thing possible, because everything else has something worse that you can imagine- and therefore isn't bad at all, at least not a "big deal."

In regards to your grandparents, it really matters most on how the swastika is angled. If at 90 degrees, it is completely fine, but if under 45,it should be considered no better than hitler's flag.

Er... that's not actually a useful rule. People try to distinguish "Hitler's Swastika" from other swastikas- for example, it's "backwards" (nope- swastikas can be clockwise or counterclockwise) or "at a different angle" (again, this symbol predates history- it's been used in more ways than you can imagine).

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