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Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 19:29:58


Жұқтыру
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69% vote no to Euro.

Good or bad? I'm personally mixed on this.
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 20:25:14


Angry Koala
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there is no vote yet, and well it is a good thing, after all the Eurozone does not need another Greek case. the EU should ban weak states.
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 20:26:12


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Hmm... I wonder who just posted this ^
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 20:26:30


Angry Koala
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xD
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 20:28:26


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I dont know why I was suspended since I did not posted anything 'not appropriate' according to warlight's rules (who reported me is also something I am still wondering about), so yeah I publicly condemn censorship here! Give a good reason next time!
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 20:32:14


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Riot +1

Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 20:38:04


Angry Koala
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BTW, Why are they against the Euro?
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 21:00:37


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because they hate Germany
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 21:01:31


Жұқтыру
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Same reason Britain is against it, probably. Selfishism.
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 21:18:38


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Britain is against it because the Pound is much stronger than the Euro, and despite the easier transactions of money, it would be much more beneficial if Britain continued using the Pound, as the Euro is going downhill fast.

Edited 6/1/2015 21:18:48
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 22:51:06


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^^^^
Czech Referendum:: 6/1/2015 23:08:32


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In short: with the Euro, they wont be able to create inflation by printing money as they pleased, what can be good for there export; if they accept the euro, then everything will get more expensive for them; losing the Czech koruna, will also mean losing a national symbol that will be lost forever.
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 00:10:03


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if the Czechs accept the Anchluss will be closer to complete!
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 01:50:27


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yes... Anchluss
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 02:25:11


Жұқтыру
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The CZK isn't too national, though. Koruna? Crown?
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 06:26:43

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If they do vote no it'll be interesting.

Currently all members of the EU, except Denmark and the UK, are required to change their currency over to the euro once they have met a set of economic targets. However, there is a loop hole that allows states not to join because 1 of these requirements is 2 years membership of ERM II and there is no part of any treaty that requires members of the EU to join ERM II.

Back in 2003, Sweden held a referendum on change its currency over to the euro and the Swedish voted no. As a result of this, their government didn't take them into ERM II and they still haven't changed their currency to the euro to this day, despite meeting all economic targets, bar 2 years membership of ERM II. After the referendum, the European Commission said they would allow the democratic wishes of Sweden to be respected this time, but they would not accept any other attempts from anyone at a "euro-dodging referendum".

I think the European Commission were bluffing to scare other members out of voting on the euro. If the Czechs do vote no, 1 of 2 things will happen. The European Commission will have to admit that it was a bluff, or the European Commission, all of whom are unelected, will have to over rule the democratic will of the Czechs.
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 11:31:20


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Maybe ill report Angry's alt..
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 11:54:28


Angry Koala
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I shall report your 40 alts then :/
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 11:56:41


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BTW the Euro shall be disbanded and divided into several zones, zone A with Germany, France, Benelux, zone B with countries such as Italy, Ireland, zone C with Greece or Spain, zone D for new states generally poor states (Romania, Czech republic, Slovakia, Baltic states, etc)
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 13:42:13


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Interesting , clement. Has the European commission ever considered getting liberated?
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 14:33:55


Angry Koala
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what do you mean by liberated?

The Euro currency is not working because too many different states are currently using it, the process of joining nations to the Eurozone has to be modified.
the European Union allowed unstable and economically weak nations to enter the EU (example: during 2004, 10 states with 80 million inhabitants joined the EU!), this should have been done little by little, state by state, we cannot help that much nations of the old communist block entering the Eurozone at the same time, the process worked for Ireland, Greece, Spain or Portugal in the 80s because they did not joined the EU silmutaneously.
Germany is currently pledging for reforming the Euro Zone and split it into at least 2 zones, leaving the weakest states to another Eurozone as they are real burdens to stronger economies.

The fact that the Czech Republic is against the Euro is a good thing, since we do not want another potential burden, it would be also nice if the Czech Republic and any current anti-european states (talking about Hungary, Poland) gave back those billions of euros that Germany, France etc kindly gave to them through european funds to build their economy. You hate Europe? fine, leave it and give back the money given if you think you can manage your economy better alone.
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 16:28:49


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How dare you insult my country. We're not weak. We meet all the requirements. We don't want the Euro to mess us up, that socialist country, and ahem billions of euros, where? We never got your money,b because the soviet union banned us. We're not economically weak, we're stroger than Portugal or Spain. We only were in the communist block, because in 1948 the soviets invaded czech and the ******* UK and the US didn't help Czech and we'e stronger than any other eastern european countries. We don't want the Euro, because all the other countries are making it lower, and we're nor unstable nor economically weak. Also what billions of euros? We never got any, remember? Read your history. Also, the only reason Czech is not as strong as the UK, etc. is because in 1938, you gave Sudetenland to Germany without our permission, and didn't help us even when we had military alliances with France and UK, so us not being as strong as the west is France And Britain's fault. Also if they didn't give Sudetenland we would have been independent, because at that time we had the most modern army. So read up your history
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 17:38:21


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Your country? are you Swiss or Czech? Anyway, I did not insult your country I never said the Czech republic was a weak state, I never specified I was talking about the Czech Republic, but nations who joined the EU recently in general.

You are right about the Czech Republic their economy those recent past years showed a good economic growth, with a GDP which is already 85% of the EU average.

"read your history" well it is not "my history" but yours. Sorry if I am not as aware of the Czech history as you.

and ahem billions of euros, where? We never got your money


Here a map showing you the least European developed regions in red

Those regions in red are receiving financial founds through regional policy projects in less developed regions. They are supported by three European funds: the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF), the European Social Fund (ESF) and the Cohesion Fund.
As you can see the Czech Republic despite having the best eastern economy is massively receiving European funds as only the Region of Prague is amongst the most developped regions.
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 18:04:18


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I would not say "developed" but rather mean GDP, as Estonia is one of the best countries to live in, Wales and Cornwall certainly are not bad either.
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 18:24:35


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Juq you are off topic, as of course I meant "developed" economically speaking, as we are discussing about european funds and money given to those regions.
And yeah I was quite surprised actually to see some parts of Britain such as Cornwall or Wales included in the least developed regions. But it seems wealth is not adequately shared amongst the UK's regions, with London concentrating the wealth, and peripheral regions not having enough money.
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 18:35:49


OxTheAutist 
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^ This is what happens with Tory government -.-
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 18:51:24


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First of all to clarify I am Czech, but I live in switzerland. And by billions of Euros I thought you meant the massive aid after World War II. Also I didn't know about the aid programs. But even if they don't adopt the Euro, it's not that they hate Europe, which they don't, it's just the Euro declined in recent years and because of greece they don't want to join. Also the west kind of owes the money, because if they stayed by the alliances, Czech would have been indepedent and the economy would be on par with the west. Also according to this :http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/poverty-eurozone-638x604.png its poverty rate is on par with Ireland.
Czech Referendum:: 6/2/2015 20:46:54


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Admittedly I don't keep up heavily with European politics, but from what I know this isn't much of a surprise. There's a large number of other EU countries that have refused to use the Euro, even some big ones like U.K and Sweden. The EU is either unwilling or unable to force countries that should have the Euro to make the switch, so this is probably something that will just keep happening.

Good or bad? Well, depends on if you think the Czech Republic would improve or lower the overall value.

Of course, this is all the opinion of an American outsider. So take it for what it's worth. My reaction to European politics is pretty much this:

Czech Referendum:: 6/3/2015 09:13:14


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What's the alternative to a Tory government? Bliar and Co.?

Labour destroyed our economy. The Conservatives will restore it, but at the cost of our liberty.
To be honest, I prefer the Tories. UKIP are a bunch of blithering idiots. They have good policies, but the inability to enforce them. A Brexit is inevitable. UKIP came second in every Labour-held seat in the North of England. The SNP are a bunch of Euro-loving eco-maniacs. Who cares if the world's warming up? I don't see the problem. Maybe Britain'll be a nicer, less miserable place with a climate similar to Gibraltar?
Czech Referendum:: 6/3/2015 09:35:59


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Who cares if the world's warming up? I don't see the problem. Maybe Britain'll be a nicer





Maybe not.
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