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EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/1/2015 17:01:35


OxTheAutist 
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David Cameron has recently announced 21 (what a number) new bills, that he promises to turn into laws in his time of being Prime Minister. (The most important ones have been put in bold).

1. David Cameron promises to cut red tape to improve businesses around the country, saving them £10,000,000,000 (ten billion pounds).

2. Most benefits shall be frozen, including child benefits, tax credits, and working-age benefits. In addition, the maximum amounts of benefits per household shall be lowered form £26,000 to £23,000.

3. Personal Tax shall be raised to £12,500.

4. Almost all taxes shall not rise until 2020. (Including income tax, VAT, and National Insurance contributions).

5. Free childcare shall be doubled from 15 hours per week, to 30 hours per week.

6. Build more houses, to be sold at 20% discount for first-time buyers.

7. Local communities will have devolution over wind farms.

8. Any illegal immigrants working deported, allow their payments to be given back to their boss, and have the chance to appeal later.

9. Abolish Trade Unions, unless 40% of members vote for strike.

10. Failing schools will be turned into academies.

11. A vote of Britain's EU Membership shall take place in 2017.

12. NHS funding shall be increased to £8,000,000,000 per year (eight billion pounds).

13. Even more city devolution, to northern English cities, including Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, and Liverpool.

14. A Pension lock will be put in place.

15. FURTHER SCOTTISH DEVOLUTION BABY!! (Most important aspects are control over welfare and income tax). Not good enough though.

16. Paves the way for a high speed railway to be built from London to Birmingham.

17. Laws affecting England shall be voted on by only English citizens.

18. More powers are given to shut down extremist broadcasts.

19. Criminals held in prison must wait no longer than 3 months for their trial.

20. Dealing legal highs will be subject to seven years in prison.

21. EU Human Rights Act will be abolished, replaced with a British Human Rights Act, with a significant change: No more freedom of privacy. Police are free to check anything you have been doing, whether they will abuse this power is for the future to tell.


Do you agree with David Cameron's bills?

(Yay Xypapy we can be like your country with no European Human Rights Act). - (I hope people realise this is sarcasm).

Edited 6/27/2015 20:59:28
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/1/2015 17:02:44

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Nay.
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/1/2015 17:07:15

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EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/1/2015 17:43:04


Mudderducker 
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Mixed bag, some are bad and some are good.

No more freedom of privacy. Police are free to check anything you have been doing, whether they will abuse this power is for the future to tell.
Hell no. What would this include?
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/1/2015 17:50:58


Shini LL of the H
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mhhh maybe they need more money for war
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/1/2015 17:54:49


OxTheAutist 
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What would this include?

This Bill, named "Snooper's Charter", arguably the most controversial new bill David Cameron has proposed, is made for more accurate crime detection. It would include them checking all of your texts, e-mails, anything in your devices, so the police can check what you're up to. If you are found to be discussing plots for extremist or terrorist acts, you can be arrested. Due to this power, Police have complete access to your private life, and you must have trust in your police if you believe that this is moral. This bill is a violation of the European Human Rights Act, and because of this, David Cameron says that we should scrap the entire European Human Rights Act, and replace it with a British Human Rights Act. I too am incredibly opposed to this motion.
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/27/2015 16:01:16


[LN][EU] The Prussian
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appalling
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/27/2015 17:40:52


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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Disgusting. I'm American and the Independence of Scotland is a major threat to our ally. We are trying to KEEP OUR FRIENDS TOGETHER. Not rip them apart.

Edited 6/27/2015 17:41:06
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/27/2015 17:53:22


Genghis 
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Agreeing with apollo. It's good stuff and bad stuff.

But that 21st one is f'd up and has to be ripped to pieces.
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/27/2015 18:29:41


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Privacy is 21th century witch. Everyone makes big eyes and furs up once they hear it. The most common argument for police checkings is: if you do not have nothing to hide then what are you afraid of? Would you not prefer that there would not be another London bombings or reduced organizational crimes?

Secondly what is privacy to you? That police is not allowed to check your phone logs if you have suspicious activity-connections etc, but any other guy with sufficient knowledge of IT can hack into your android rather easily, steal your nude pictiors, read your chat? In general Police is allowed to check, but not allowed to use informations seen against you in public matters. Hackers can do what they like!

I would understand your concerns if one works in public sector, business sector. But thats why we have old business Nokia and Blackberry and crypted e-mails. It is time consuming but worth it.

Average consumer afraid of abolition of freedom of privacy? Is just absurd. What is privacy - your e-mails and phone log? It all comes down to profiling, tracking - already, if am not wrong, UK uses license plate trackers. Secondly if anyone has worked/studied geography, in specific population migration then statistics is drawn out of your phone, without ever asking your consult nor using any hacking at all. Police already uses phone-location to track, but only in cases it is allowed-verified. The new law would premit to do it without question I suppose. But again, why one should be worried, if there is no need? It is rather effective tool to caught pedofiles, tourist thieves and certain type of crime sectors.

Easier said than done. But stop sharing your private information! Get proxy, learn to crypt, get rid of android - if you have needs.

How government knows you were part of protest action? The look your smartphone location on certain date/time. Why old, especially Motorola Razor V3, phones are popular among many celebrities? Becose they lack any communicative functions - cant be tracked or naked photos stolen :)

They cant abolish EU Human Rights Act. They can only abjure, break away. Maybe it is good thing, because theoretically one can draw up better Act, than 20-countries together. Although EHRC is mean´t to protect civilians from their government repression. Which might leave the through ambition of UK in shallow waters.
EU, Snooper's Charter, and more British Politics: 6/27/2015 21:00:00


OxTheAutist 
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Disgusting. I'm American and the Independence of Scotland is a major threat to our ally. We are trying to KEEP OUR FRIENDS TOGETHER. Not rip them apart.

This disgusts me.


Agreeing with apollo. It's good stuff and bad stuff.

But that 21st one is f'd up and has to be ripped to pieces.


I agree here as well.


Anyway, now that there is a bit more enthusiasm for this thread, what do we say about having discussions on the main ones? First off, let's talk about Trade Unions.

Trade Unions are basically groups of people across the country that make sure that they are getting what they want from the government in their job. If they are not getting what they want, then they go on strike. Labour support Trade Unions, while Tories don't like them. David Cameron is trying to get a bill passed, to make sure it is illegal to go on strike, unless 40% or over of your trade union agrees. Thoughts? I personally support Trade Unions, but I do agree that they should be in groups. It is a good way to enforce fair labour in the country, but is useless if 2 people say "I'm going on strike! Hurr-de-durr!"

Edited 6/27/2015 21:19:14
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