What is the Evidence for Evolution? (11min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg&index=19&list=WL

Evolution 101
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

I think this says it all. Biology and physics are the key to explain the universe, but you prefer to close your eyes to it and confort you in your religious beliefs.
No, I just admit that I have only my little school knowledge on this stuff. As I said, this is why internet debates are so shit, not because guys have little knowledge but everyone there has the ultimate knowledge on each subject.

How do you explain that we recieve light coming from stars farther away than 10000 light years when the universe is less than 10000 years old?
I don't know and it doesen't bother me. Maybe God has sent the light there. The earth may not be the physical center of the universe but it sure is the center in Gods thoughts. Maybe also stuff is very old. The fall of Satan fits very well between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.

How do you explain people living 900 years in the Bible?
Since I believe that everything in the bible has come to through and the current age of the Christian Church hasn't simply made the promises given to Israel obsolete I also believe that the world has yet to see an even better time, when the Messias comes again to establish his kingdom:

Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reacha a hundred will be considered accursed. (Isaiah 65:20)

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ok Norman, i tink we can leave it at that. Why it doesn't bother you that science disprove the bible, i can't understand. If i were basing my entire life, values, and purpose on a book, i would make damn sure, in every possible way i can, that this book tell the truth. And if i was believing in a benevolent god, i would have a hard time believing that this same god would not want us to use our intellect and reason that he gave us. If i was believing in a benevolent god, i would have a hard time considering how misleading he is concerning the explanation of our world. Why would he put so much evidence for us to see and understand our universe, and at the same time telling us that all of it is bullshit? Don't trust reason, trust the word of god. If think that would bother me. But that's just me
I think that doubt is very healthy. Don't take things for granted. To quote Niel deGrasse Tyson:

Test ideas by experiment and observation
Build on those ideas that pass the test, reject the ones that fails
Follow the evidence wherever it leads
And question everything
Accept these terms, and the cosmos is yours
(Cosmos:A spacetime Odyssey E01)

Please, don't just throw something like that in my face. Explain to me exactly how tectonic activity and ice age explains that there is a lot of species (kangaroo is one example) that can only be found in a specific area.

I believe his point was that all species started on Pangaea, and then tectonic drift separated the landmass, resulting in having many species trapped in a certain part of the world.

no it's not "because scientists said it". The evidences are overwhelming.

Overwhelming to you maybe. A lot of it is still based on theory and things that happened so far back we can't possibly confirm it, but many will accept it because it's what modern science believes. (There's a good number who'd unwittingly drink poison if modern science said so..)

I agree, since there is no debate. there is just evidence on the on side, and denial on the other side. This is really one of many disagreement of science vs religion (and historically, science is right everytime)

Now this comment seems really arrogant. "My evidence is better than yours"

To be honest though, I really don't care if you or others believe in evolution. That alone doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when people defend evolution with a religious fervor and try to shove it down everyone else's throats. (Genghis was trying to draw this comparison earlier, the way that some defend evolution is quite similar to the way certain religious people spread their beliefs....)

Evolutionists shouldn't really care if others don't believe them, because they don't believe there will be consequences.

Evolution denial is an evolutionary trait in that of itself. Europeans (more evolved humans) were the first to accept the theory of evolution because their more advanced minds could grasp the theory.

Why does modern Christianity largely accept (with a few exceptions) evolution but Islam denies it? It doesn't have anything to do with either religion. Both religions would oppose evolution if they adhered to their scripts. Simply, Semites and Africans have always been backwards and less enlightened than Europeans.

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Please, don't just throw something like that in my face. Explain to me exactly how tectonic activity and ice age explains that there is a lot of species (kangaroo is one example) that can only be found in a specific area.

I believe his point was that all species started on Pangaea, and then tectonic drift separated the landmass, resulting in having many species trapped in a certain part of the world.

so the flood happened when earth was still pangaea? When i think crazy has reached its limits, i stand corrected everytime...

no it's not "because scientists said it". The evidences are overwhelming.

Overwhelming to you maybe.

and to every rational person on the planet. Tell me what evidence exactly would you require to stop denie it?

I agree, since there is no debate. there is just evidence on the on side, and denial on the other side. This is really one of many disagreement of science vs religion (and historically, science is right everytime)
Now this comment seems really arrogant.

arrogant? It is just the way it is. Historical facts.I find no pride in it, i didn't discover anything. Everytime religion gives a faith based explanation to our universe, it turned out to be wrong. (or have you forgotten how the earth is flat?)

"My evidence is better than yours"

Not my evidence. It is everyone evidence.
And can you give me just one tiny bit of evidence either to contradict evolution, or to support any other model?

What bothers me is when people defend evolution with a religious fervor and try to shove it down everyone else's throats. (Genghis was trying to draw this comparison earlier, the way that some defend evolution is quite similar to the way certain religious people spread their beliefs....)

I am not "defending" evolution, i am merely trying to provide all the information that one might need to have an educated opinion. Evolution doesn't need to be defended, evolution just happens. One can understand it or not understand it. All i have done is provided numerous link explaining why evolution is a fact (in a scientific way, meaning that there is so much evidence supporting it that it wuld be unreasonnable to not consider it a fact, at least until we know more). If you throw a ball in the air, you can never be sure it will come down. Yet the theory of gravity is supported by so much evidence than it would be unreasonable to assume the contrary. Just like evolution.

The links provides a tiny portion of the scientific evidences supporting evolution.
Yet no-one cared to argued against the evidences. If you think there is something wrong with the theory, why don't you tell us what bother you exactly? You attack evolution as an idea, but you don't care to actually look at what the theory says in order to try and disprove it.

edit: and by the way, even if you do prove evolution wrong, be aware that it doesn't prove any other model right

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@flat earth
We knew the earth was round since gilgamesh's times, ~3000 BC, the Greeks knew this profoundly as well (making very accurate predictions on its size). The bible also agreed with round earth.

Also, evolution IS just atheist dogma. There's no reason why God couldn't have simply started all the processes we recognize today. It's preposterous to believe every thing is meaningless, only existing in a short term, hoping one day to simply be stumbled upon.

Also, this isn't a debate not because one side has evidence and the other side denies, it's because you're having 2 different debates.

Also, evolution IS just atheist dogma. There's no reason why God couldn't have simply started all the processes we recognize today. It's preposterous to believe every thing is meaningless, only existing in a short term, hoping one day to simply be stumbled upon.

I am sick of arguing with ignorant people. PLEASE go look what is the theory of evolution instead of using the strawman fallacy time and again. The theory of evolution says NOTHING about a deity. Science says NOTHING about a deity or a lack of deity. Deities, atheism and superstition is NOT the subject of science.
If you want to believe that a deity have started all the processes we recognize today, it is FINE, i might disagree but i have no argument against it. In fact this is exactly how christians reconcile evolution with religion.
The problem is when people don't recognize the said processes. Science explains reality. And it so happens that the reality described by science is inconsistant with the bible myths. It says NOTHING about any kind of gods. It is really just a case of science versus faith.

@125ch209

Laisses tomber 125ch, et ne te fatigues pas avec eux. Les obscurantistes ne peuvent être raisonnés.

Cosmos A Space Time Odyssey - Episode 1&2 (40 min each, episode 2 talks about evolution)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQWYUtZoNRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df1PR_yZnr0

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So what you guys are tryna tell me is that we have evolved from algae? You guys are stupid. The guy who made all this shit up, was high on weed.

Cade ever heard of Darwin?

Darwin was christian by the way

and to every rational person on the planet.

Well dang, guess there are billions of irrational people. Woe for humanity...

I am not "defending" evolution, i am merely trying to provide all the information that one might need to have an educated opinion.

You've done more than provide information. You've treated anyone who doesn't believe in evolution as if they're either completely ignorant or stupid. Not everyone is going to believe this theory, just like not everyone's going to accept religion. So stop trying to force it.


I am sick of arguing with ignorant people.

This proves part of my point, just because someone doesn't go along with the theory you support doesn't make them ignorant. Majority of people already know full well what Evolution entails, they simply just don't believe it.

If you throw a ball in the air, you can never be sure it will come down. Yet the theory of gravity is supported by so much evidence than it would be unreasonable to assume the contrary. Just like evolution.

This is not a good comparison. Gravity can be proven very simply, throw something in the air and then watch it fall. Done, theory proven. Want to prove the Earth is round? There's satellite imagery or you can just sail around it. Theory proven. Evolution does not have that kind of solid confirmation.

You attack evolution as an idea

I haven't really attacked evolution, merely your means of trying to push it on people and acting as if your way of thinking is somehow superior.

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This is not a good comparison. Gravity can be proven very simply, throw something in the air and then watch it fall. Done, theory proven. Want to prove the Earth is round? There's satellite imagery or you can just sail around it. Theory proven. Evolution does not have that kind of solid confirmation.

Evolution has already been proven by various scolars in ethnology, archeology, antrophology or genetic fields, people who are clearly more qualified than all of us. Hence, you cannot maintain and assure, there are no solid confirmation.

I haven't really attacked evolution, merely your means of trying to push it on people and acting as if your way of thinking is somehow superior.

oh really? interesting to see you are acting the same way, instead of being both offensive and arguing without peremptory assertions, Eclipse, Cade or Genghis, just try to answer his comments about evolution, evidences must
be weighed and assessed according to whether it is credible, corroborated and compelling.

LETS BE CLEAR

I did not say people were ignorant because they didn't believe in evolution.

Most people against evolution in this thread don't know the first thing about evolution, wich make them ignorant in that regard.

All argument against evolution on this thread were just misconception, misunderstanding or flat out lies about evolution.

When you give me an argument against evolution that doesn't misrepresent evolution in a stawman fallacy, i will take you seriously.

Until then, i believe i linked enough material here so that you can educate yourself about evolution and then come back to me when you have a reasonable objection against it. Then we can talk.

On the other hand, i shouldn't have used this language, i agree.

Gravity can be proven very simply, throw something in the air and then watch it fall. Done, theory proven.

How is throwing a ball and watch it fall proving the theory of gravity? If you repeat a 1000 time an experience and you always get the same result, it doesn't "prove" anything. How can you be sure when you throw it for the 1001st time it won't float away?
There is NO absolute proof. In science, we accept that a theory has been "proven" when the evidences for it make it true beyond reasonnable doubt. When you deal with reality, you can never be Absolutely 100% sure of anything. Even the things you see, you can't possibly be 100% sure that what you see is real.

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.As with most (if not all) forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive power and explanatory capability"

Evolution does not have that kind of solid confirmation.

Wrong. you just don't know about it because you refuse to research it.

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