What is evolution? (8min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhHOjC4oxh8

What is Natural Selection (9min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SCjhI86grU

What Darwin Never Knew (106 min documentary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B03bvFrDVNY

When is this guy gonna get bored of convincing people that we're all gorillas?

You've convinced me that you are :)

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Harthacanute: shut up.

You make theists look bad.

I am a Christian, and I plan on watching these videos over the next week or two. It's always interesting to learn more about a subject, even if you don't agree with the author's point of view. 125ch209 has always seemed to be a reasonable guy, so I'm sure these videos will have some solid evidence. How can you make an educated choice on what to believe in if you don't know the facts?

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even if you don't agree with the author's point of view

Definition of intelligence.

even if you don't agree with the author's point of view

Definition of intelligence.

Although I don't agree with the writer of this I would like too see if you have any facts supporting this.

Edited 4/20/2015 21:42:13

Although I don't agree with the writer of this I would like too see if you have any facts supporting this.

Supporting evolution or supporting that not agreeing with someone but wanting to learn their POV is intelligence?


Evolution - the fact that bacteria can change and adapt to consume citrate as well as glucose in 2 decades (45,000 generations) is a fact supporting evolution. The Lenski experiment shows this.

Not agreeing but listening = intelligence - Since there is no direct measurement of intelligence, it cannot be said. I am as smart as everyone else on the planet. Academically, maybe not. Socially, maybe not. Wanting to learn someones point of view even if you don't agree with it shows many types of intelligence.

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So far, I have not watched any of the videos over 15 minutes. I'm hoping to find some evidence supporting macro evolution in those. The first six videos provided plenty of evidence for micro evolution, but little for macro evolution. The article also provides no evidence for macro evolution. I hope to see some evidence for macro evolution in the longer videos. Assuming we evolved from apes, there should be plenty of fossils supporting this. It also would make sense if there are some beings today that are still in the process of evolving from apes to humans. This is the kind of thing I have yet to see evidence for, and what I mean by macro evolution.

The truth is, the Bible supports micro evolution. The size of the ark that was built by Noah in the Bible simply does not have enough space to fit all species of animals. So from simply reading the Bible, we know that organisms change over time.

Similarities in fossils between different types of organisms may be evidence for evolution, but it can also be used as evidence for Intelligent Design. If two organisms are made by the same designer, it makes sense that there would be similarities in the way these organisms were made.

Please, don't just throw something like that in my face. Explain to me exactly how tectonic activity and ice age explains that there is a lot of species (kangaroo is one example) that can only be found in a specific area. According to the bible, all animals landed with noah's ark on a mountain in the middle east. Did the kangaroo made a big jump from the middle east to australia?

The flood in the Bible is mentioned as covering the whole earth. But we must remember, it was written by a man (Moses). There is the possibility that he never realized how big the earth actually was. He may have not known Australia existed. Perhaps, by his "covering the whole earth", he meant covered the whole known world (where people lived). Perhaps the flood did not cover the whole earth, but simply the known world. This is merely speculation, but it is a possibility. Perhaps there were no kangaroos in the ark, because there were none in that area of the world.

Job 40:15-24 (in the Bible) mentions an animal that sounds an awful lot like a dinosaur. Yet according to the theory of evolution, dinosaurs were gone many millions of years before humans were around. The knowledge they had of science back then is minuscule to the scientific knowledge we have now. So how did Job know a creature like that had existed, unless that creature was living at that time?

even if you don't agree with the author's point of view

Learning more is seldom a bad thing. Just because you think something is true, does not make it so. Therefore, it is good to get as much evidence as you can on a subject, and reevaluating your opinion as you learn more on the subject. If you are right, you still can learn what the opposing side is saying, and you can learn to better defend your opinion.

Micro - Micro - Micro - Micro - Micro - Micro - Micro

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Another thing I would like to emphasize, there does not have to be a counter between religion and evolution, they can coexist. When you start denying science, technological growth slows down tremendously. Example: The Dark Ages.

he first six videos provided plenty of evidence for micro evolution, but little for macro evolution.

I believe the first 6 links deals with explaining the mechanisms related to the theory of evolution, not about the actual evidences.

Assuming we evolved from apes, there should be plenty of fossils supporting this

Actually we didn't evolved from apes, we are an ape, and we have a common ancestor with all the other apes. (wich is just a way of saying that apes are our closest cousins among all life forms, since if we go back far enough, we share a common ancester with every form of life)

I assume by micro evolution, you mean evolution within the same specie, and by macro evolution, you mean evolution from one specie evolving into another specie.
There is several independant lines of evidences for macroevolution

DNA
DNA analysis provides evidence for macroevolution. 96% of our DNA is the same that of other apes. And we share about 50% of DNA with some plants (if i'm not mistaken). Every living things share DNA, and the more DNA they share, the closest they are on the evolutionary tree. So there is evidence of a common descent for all forms of life in the DNA.

FOSSIL
Since Darwin, we have found a great deal "transitional fossils". A transitional fossil is any fossilized remains of a life form that exhibits traits common to both an ancestral group and its derived descendant group.(wikipedia)
Thus the fossil records provides evidences for macro evolution.

ANATOMY
If you look at the anatomy of the whale for example you can see how the ancestor of the whale was actually a 4 legged land mammal. I believe the 11min video on the evidence for evolution focuses on this example. Did you not find it convincing? (it's the 7th link so i don't know if you have seen it - edit:not the 7th anymore)

These are just 3 independant lines of evidences supporting macroevolution, there is many more.
In fact, the theory of evolution is considered to be the unifying theory of Biology; as every fields in biology is consistent with evolution.

Microevolution and macroevolution are the same thing (same mechanisms). Macroevolution is just the sum of all microevolutions. Where do you draw the line exactly between macro and micro evolution?

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^ Very excellent post.

So far, I have not watched any of the videos over 15 minutes. I'm hoping to find some evidence supporting macro evolution in those. The first six videos provided plenty of evidence for micro evolution, but little for macro evolution. The article also provides no evidence for macro evolution. I hope to see some evidence for macro evolution in the longer videos.

Micro - Micro - Micro - Micro - Micro - Micro - Micro

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Incorrect.

Example of microevolution:

A certain species of mice have 2 different types of colors: brown and white. They white ones die in areas with more brown rocks, and brown ones die in areas with white rocks. This is due that predators are more likely to catch them, and there color genes will not be passed on. However, this will never result in macroevolution; at least, theres no evidence it will.

Microevolution and macroevolution are the same thing (same mechanisms). Macroevolution is just the sum of all microevolutions. Where do you draw the line exactly between macro and micro evolution?

*Facepalm*

Microevolution: one specific type of wolf changes into another. same species, different looks, size, etc.

Macroevolution: Lizard to bird.

First is common, and even among creationists, widey accepted (among competent creationist, mind you)

Second has no extensive evidence. (I can't say there isn't any; I haven't researched it enough}.

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Microevolution: one specific type of wolf changes into another. same species, different looks, size, etc.

Macroevolution: Lizard to bird.

how about wolf to dog? is that micro or macro?

At what point is there enough changes separating two species that it becomes macroevolution?

Generaly, we define 2 differents species when interbreeding is no longer possible.
You seem to imply that no matter how many little changes (in wich you believe), there will never be enough changes as to differentiate 2 initial group of the same specie into 2 different species. In that case, the evolution would have to stop at some point, in order to "not cross the line". Is that what you think?

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no.

heres where it ends: animals with completely different charactersistics. I.E>, horses zerbras donkeys in one group, wolves and dogs in another, felines in another, etc., etc.

as there is NO REAL EVIDENCE OF MACRO EVOLUTION OCCURING.

also, u dont seem to understand that micro evolution is changes from the enviroment

Khan Academy:

Introduction to Evolution and Natural Selection (17 min - there was a mistake at the beginning of the video, wich he rectified in the second video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcjgWov7mTM&index=1&list=PL7A9646BC5110CF64

ape clarification (1 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFGkYA_diDA&index=2&list=PL7A9646BC5110CF64