Many people in wz don't like it, why do yall?
pls no drama

I like trolling.

@3.1415926535
▶ What's your definition of short time? If you consider anything less than 3-day as "short", I can provide my perspective. If you consider anything less than 1.5-day as "short", I'll not bother since I already agree that less than 1.5-days is short...

Just state your opinion.
@kallisti ah yes highly relevant

Games run at a reasonable pace, tournaments finish quicker. People using 3 days for every single turn are not fun to play against.

A good point. But for ladders, don't you consider that people might not have enough time for it?

Alr have played a few stallers that won't surrender, 1d-1.5d is great against those. Also if you don't have time for ladder, don't play ladder

Edited 6/3/2023 13:55:26

fair point, LL. However the community says most people don't have time, but that statistic is kinda ambiguous so yeah

what waffle said

Edited 6/3/2023 14:08:51

if you don't have time for ladder, don't play ladder

Would have time for ladder if it was 3 day boot and 2 games at a time as before.

I agree with LL (short boot-time mitigates stalling) & Rento (reasonable game-pace so that you don't have to remember the game to make your next move), I also would like to clarify a misconception;

"Ladder is highest-level competitive play" relative to QM & CW. This doesn't mean that ladder templates offer the highest competitiveness. I hear a lot of: "This is supposed to be peak competition, why are we not allowed to think more". You can easily make more competitive games. You can even make a tournament with that template.

Ladder is about consistency (playing for a long time). If you wanna think +30 minutes every turn to make your optimal move, 1.5 days is definitely not sustainable since you'll need a large, continuous & recurrent free time to sustain it. But if you need 10-20 minutes per turn, anytime you can just lay and relax should more/less be enough to play carefully & routinely.

that's an actually good point, surprisingly.

Everyone seems to agree that taking 3 days for every move is bad, and that players should move more frequently, but it's nice to have additional time available for when you need it (either IRL gets busy or you really want to think about a specific move)

Tbh I don't think the problem is the main timer but the banked time settings, it has no additional time ever, just 1d12h for the whole game, so it's not flexible

If the amount of banked time added per move made was a % of your time left on the main clock for that move, it means faster players would have more banked time when they need it, and players who ate up most of their main clock while playing would have very little

So for example, keep the main clock as 1d and use initial banked time of 1d + add 25% of remaining main clock time to banked time up to max of 2d; stallers would get almost no additional time, fast players who played in first 6 hrs of a new turn would get 4.5h added to their banked time and after 5 turns would already be at the maximum 2d banked time

Could tweak the values 1d main / 1d initial banked / 2d max banked / 25% of main added banked, but the concept is that in order to accumulate banked time, you have to move quickly

So by design stallers would never be able to accumulate much banked time and would have limited ability to stall, but players who moved quickly would still have an additional 2 days banked for when they need it

@krinid

"Tbh I don't think the problem is the main timer but the banked time settings"

▶ Yes! For the love of god that's what I was saying from day 1! Even in my survey thread (https://www.warzone.com/Forum/689938-new-ladder-boot-time-survey?Offset=0), I proposed some alternative boot-times with emphasis on banked time. Closest proposal to current boot-time was;

1.5 Day Regular-Time + 4.5 Day Banked-Time + 06 Hour Refresh

▶ Since so many players wanted even more boot-time, I'm completely fine with 12 Hour Refresh (instead of 6 Hour), but we need more banked time

There is no such setting as "max banked time". Max banked time is always equal to initial banked time.

Edit: and the setting to turn a percentage of remaining time into banked was in the game but was removed. What's left is the option to recover a fixed amount of time, say 4 hours, every day.

This setting is used in MD QM, I'm a bit surprised there's none of that in the ladders.

Second edit: there's also the question of minimum number of games on the ladder. Was there any explanation as to why this was raised? The current choice is: 0, 3, 4 or 5. I don't get the logic here. I'd not be hurting anyone nor getting an advantage by playing just 1 at a time.

Edited 6/4/2023 17:35:17

We will never know how people feel because a certain someone promised to poll us and gauge the feelings and then never did this. Speculation is pointless fizzer doesn’t care

@Tac(ky)tical

Speculation is pointless fizzer doesn’t care

▶ If you were right, Fizzer wouldn't increase the boot-time

this is true, that is a small compromise. just feel a bit betrayed so im throwing on the dramatics :D

@Rento

Second edit: there's also the question of minimum number of games on the ladder. Was there any explanation as to why this was raised? The current choice is: 0, 3, 4 or 5. I don't get the logic here. I'd not be hurting anyone nor getting an advantage by playing just 1 at a time.

Fizzer said in his last AMA that it's because he wants people to join the ladder when they can really play it and not "stall" (no idea what it has to do with stalling tbh...) I agree that it would be nice if we could choose to play just 1 or 2 games at a time.

Second edit: there's also the question of minimum number of games on the ladder. Was there any explanation as to why this was raised? The current choice is: 0, 3, 4 or 5. I don't get the logic here. I'd not be hurting anyone nor getting an advantage by playing just 1 at a time.

Yes, I entirely agree with that. Has nothing to do with "stalling" (???), it'd just allow people to compete in as many games they can handle. There's 0 harm in enabling it, and Fizzer should really do it to compensate for the shorter boot time. I would be able to play 1 game at a time like that. Probably not 2, certainly not 3 or more. And it's not like it inconveniences anyone in any way, or am I missing something?

The scientifically optimal values for timers of each ladders are as follows:
1v1 ladder:
Time per turn: 24 hours
Banked time: 48-72 hours

2v2 ladder:
Time per turn: 36 hours
Banked time: 72-108 hours

3v3 ladder:
Time per turn: 48 hours
Banked time: 96-144 hours

Source- chatGPT