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y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 00:10:23

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why is it that i crush SE and ME (edit: middle earth not medium earth omg sry 4 confuse) and archipelago but am mediocre at larger maps?

in general, what does this indicate about someone's mindset and play style?

Edited 5/10/2023 02:20:14
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 00:10:51


Torsten 
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What do you mean by larger?
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 00:12:24


waffle 1.0 
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Probably just because you are not used to them?
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 00:14:19


Torsten 
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Also, 50% ish winrate on SE templates for clan wars is not crushing...
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 00:29:03

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yeah i figured it is what waffle say but im greedy for more insight

larger: most maps, ME landria inss maps etc

im competitive with top level players (edit: on templates like SECB) when i am really engaged, but thats only sometimes. i am in lazy frog clan, not op

Edited 5/10/2023 01:28:41
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 00:39:06


Roi Joleil
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my guess is because those maps have actual strategic depth unlike SE

Not to mention that all 3 examples you listed are played extremly different

Edited 5/10/2023 00:39:41
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 00:46:06


Tac(ky)tical 
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Macro vs micro
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 01:15:51


Johnny Silverhand 
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> im competitive with top level players when i am really engaged

I doubt this is the case even on the maps you mentioned.
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 01:27:21

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tac, how 2 learn macro? i read the nghood guide. i definitely have a ways to go in practice viewing the board in those terms, mainly because they are kind of boring[citation needed], but i don't have much need to read it again. im not sure if this guide covers macro or just micro

roi, yeah those maps are fun and complex

thank you johnny it's good to hear that u doubt

Edited 5/10/2023 01:31:09
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 01:34:58


Johnny Silverhand 
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Actually, I don't doubt it anymore, I now know it isn't true, since I checked.

Your strat 1v1 games in the recent clanwar seasons are absolutely "not" how someone who is competitive with top players plays.

You don't play vs top players often, so you likely don't realize, but there's tons of room left for improvement on ME, probably is the case for the other maps too.
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 01:53:45


Tac(ky)tical 
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French Brawl is the best way to learn smaller maps. It develops brawling skills, and picking doesn’t matter much. You can find it on clan war pretty often too. For learning bigger maps I guess Rise of Rome auto dist, but most ppl assume larger maps have more luck factor so they aren’t as competitive.

I’m sure you’ve heard this before but check out the link http://md-ladder.cloudapp.net

It is a steep learning curve but you can learn all sorts of things playing games and watching the top players’ games.

If you have any more questions ask away!

Also don’t listen to Johnny silver hand he doesn’t know what it takes to be top player and he takes it out on everyone else <3
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 01:55:25


Johnny Silverhand 
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Tacky's just the kind of person that thinks it's better to be nice than to be honest. If he watched your games he'd know damn well you aren't a top player at strat 1v1. I certainly know the template well enough to make that call, and he knows it. The last person that suggested otherwise lost a few couple thousand coins before they disappeared and reappeared years later on an alt.
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 01:57:15


Tac(ky)tical 
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Nauz the Vanquisher :P
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 01:57:59


Roi Joleil
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someone link his game
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 01:59:39


Roi Joleil
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"For learning bigger maps I guess Rise of Rome auto dist, but most ppl assume larger maps have more luck factor so they aren’t as competitive. "

. . .

"but most ppl assume larger maps have more luck"

-----> ***"auto dist"*** <-----
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 02:05:28


Johnny Silverhand 
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Here's the 3 games I glanced at:

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34236420

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=34093756

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=33912363

Technically there was a 4th, but they booted.

Picks are terrible in the first game, triple picked an inefficient bonus.

2nd game they picked a ftb + South Africa, for turn 2 11 income. They don't seem to get that inefficient bonuses should be left alone except in exceptionally rare circumstances. Also Central Russia + the ftb was a turn 2 12.

Game 3 that expansion is just super scuffed.
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 02:13:50


Roi Joleil
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Yea id agree.
Lacks a lot of the basics and any sort of plan.
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 02:13:51

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thank u johnny that would really hurt my feelings if i believed that i give 100% in every game <3

thank u tac 4 french rec. i haven't played french brawl much bc i found it frustrating looks like that was a sign that i would get something out of it
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 02:17:47


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I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm usually among the first to offer helping people learn strat 1v1. But "not trying" isn't an excuse to pick or expand in such manners, it's auto-pilot once you understand the template. I play QM mindlessly 90% of the time, it does result in me making dumb errors occasionally (like forgetting where a wasteland is), but there's a difference between an oversight and a lack of understanding. Picking inefficient bonuses in 2 out of 3 games is more than "being lazy" or "half-assing" it. Same goes for blind countering with a lack of intel and slowing down your expansion severely as a result (the third game).
y i crush SE but am weak at larger maps: 2023-05-10 02:25:05

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yeah what i am saying is that i deliberately play ineffectively most of the time bc reasons[1]. this is not the same as half of the ass, this is the whole goat

[1] it is fun
[1] ???

Edited 5/10/2023 02:25:58
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