VERAVARI, everyone.

Writes a lot of text, expects you to read it. Someone else writes a lot in response. lol it's too long, won't read it

"my objective is always to brainstorm for the benefit of community", as he says, allegedly. ignores arguments he doesn't like, and misrepresents them, because what he is truly interested in is an echo chamber for his own opinions

oh and also pretends to have the higher moral ground while doing it, as if he is the one actually trying to provide anything to the discussion rather than muh lottoz!!! don't like them then ur walrus and bad, go play ladder or something lol, leave the poor idlers alone, you must love bullying them, huh??? knew it, you bully

it wouldn't disturb me so much if you were just being transparent about being an asshat or troll who really only cherry picks his opponents arguments to fit whatever point he is feeling like making and ignoring everything else, but you're being a total hypocrite about it, and it isn't the first time you do this either

@waffle

Writes a lot of text, expects you to read it

I always do my best to keep my answers as short as possible with every sentence have their own significant meaning.

ignores arguments he doesn't like

I don't ignore texts I don't like, I ignore texts when I don't have time to read unnecessarily long texts.

pretends to have the higher moral ground while doing it

You're aware that all of these are personal attacks toward me right? You are not even talking about the subject anymore, while I'm still trying my best to respond you accordingly

you're being a total hypocrite about it

Please keep your personal hatred away from the discussion. If you wanna puke your hatred while sticking to the main discussion, at least try to give solid examples about this discussion, instead of throwing random accusations...

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LMAO
Can you imagine if CW had a template which was actually WZIC vs a player instead of an AI?

@waffle 2.0 & @krinid thinks: CW should be competitive, lottery is luck based. Hence it shouldn't be in CW.

Essentially yes, but I'd word it differently and add some points. CW doesn't need to be competitive in the sense that it must be highly strategic/no luck/etc - SEAD is an example of this, it includes luck, and this is fine, and it's still a legit WZ match. Lottery isn't a game, it's just a decision. Why even require players to show up for the slot at all? Just assign a 50% for a FW for each player every day. This doesn't need to be part of CW at all - it could be a totally separate "Lotto Wars" competition.

Also, adding a template to CW means we're removing a different template from that same slot. Fizz seems to be adamant on this, # of templates is mandated by participation, so if participation remains the same (maybe it will, maybe it won't, let's assume no change for now) then that means more Lotto, less SEAD, SE1W, Bomber, S1v1, FB, etc. Some slots have only 1 template, and it just might be Lotto. This is bad. So you can then counter with "just make SE available in every slot" - but Fizz hasn't done that, that's a separate battle to fight. You can't say "add Lotto only iff SE is available in every slot", that's not how these requests work. He doesn't grant conditional requests, that's 2 separate requests and he will drop the Yes/No decision for each independently. So the cost of adding a template is real and takes away from what is there today.

Probably a more important question though - why does anyone really want Lotto? Forget whether everyone agrees on whether it's good/bad to add to CW or not. Just what is the benefit of adding it? To save time b/c you don't want to play a standard template? To be able to beat stronger players? Just to get rewards? What's the real motive here? <-- genuine not facetious question, trying to understand why people are asking for it

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Duel Lotto 1.0 is actually a 4D meta-universe diplo template, which bring expands limited Warzone ingame deploy-attack tactics to cosmic brain out-of-the box thinking.

It does make we wonder tho if players who would typically play SEAD over other templates would pick Duel Lotto if SEAD wasn't an option, and let's say the only other option was Guiroma

Absolutely

It is tricky b/c the noobs are gonna vote Duel, SEAD, SE1W, and the elites are gonna vote S1v1, S2v2, Guiroma, FB (spoiler, we already have these in CW), maybe Landria or Timid Lands, and maybe some junk that just doesn't below in RT games, and then the "I'm so unique" randos are gonna jump on dumb templates like 4 Castles, Siege, Trippel-Tafl, Biomes, Scrabble, Chess, etc; would be interesting to see if anyone would try to vote in Europe 3v3 or an FFA of some kind tho

Well yeah, i was mostly just joking around. However, it would be cool to not always have the same people on template panels.
Obviously regardless of who makes up the panel, I'm sure they will take their responsibility to only offer playable RT templates.
[s] Since people cant read settins in CW, i would like to propose Waffle's Strategic 1v1 template! [/s]

This has been argued to death already, no? just put a fixed se map every slot, remove some (comm ld? FB?) and add some variety with an inss, Landria, Georgia army cap template.

Yes, but since it was 2 years ago, its not bad to stir up some dust in forum land again.

Lotto will definitely come. I would bet lots of money on that

Fizzer has already expressed that "lotto's are against the spirit of the game" multiple times, so for as long as he own WZ, I doubt there will be lotto in official competitions.

Fizzer has already expressed that "lotto's are against the spirit of the game" multiple times, so for as long as he own WZ, I doubt there will be lotto in official competitions.

While true, and I agree that if he were adding new templates to CW himself, he would not add a Lotto of any type. But he didn't stop it from getting voted into QM, so if a voting system were implemented for CW, the same thing could happen.

I like the idea

HAHA

My opinion:
1) 3 fixed templates on every timeslot;
2) 3 additional non-fixed templates on every timeslot;

Some slots dont even have enough players for 2 templates. 6 templates sounds like it will be a lot of overkill, and will increase the mismatches in the CW algorithm

I am totally opposed to lotto. Actually any lotto template should be removed from all of WZ

Yeah, I'm surprised Fizzer even allowed it to be in QM, especially how clear it is it was bribed into QM...

2 additional SE templates should be added: "SEAD balanced" and "SE1W balanced" with (more) balanced, starts (or pick territories), in essence, quick games, but with less of a luck factor than SEAD and SE1W.

SE is too small to keep both fair and simple. If you want more skill/less luck based templates, play S1v1.

But real life gets in the way sometimes and lotto games would be a nice way to roll the dice on a day I otherwise couldn’t play.

Yeah, i have that same problem (couldn't even get 70% participating last season 😢), Lotto would fix that, but I'm afraid it will cause more problems that in actually solves.

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I like the idea

So voting system like QM it is?

No he likes the idea of CW using lotto maps

No he likes the idea of CW using lotto maps

Yea, I am reading it the same

I'll wait to see VERAVARI's recap about what Fizzer was responding to.

Sweet. I am waiting for my job offer as Warzone Official Marketer with a salary of 25,000 coins a month. Maybe I should change my name in advance.

@krinid

"Lottery isn't a game, it's just a decision."

▶ No, lottery is part of the game whether you like it or not. If people decide to play lotto rather than abused by walruses, its their decision. Please try to respect decisions of these people.

"adding a template to CW means we're removing a different template from that same slot"

▶ No, there will be no removing other templates. Only templates that almost nobody plays will be available through voting.

"Some slots have only 1 template, and it just might be Lotto."

▶ No, in my proposition, there will be 6 templates every timeslot, not 1 (after talking to JK_3, I reduced it to 4 but still higher than 1)

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@JK_3

"Some slots dont even have enough players for 2 templates. 6 templates sounds like it will be a lot of overkill"

▶ I literally participate every clan war and can say that 2 template is too few (even if both are most popular templates). However, sure, we can start from a middle point like 4 templates per game and increase it to 6 if there is a need...

"it [lotto] will cause more problems that in actually solves."

▶ Nope, there are lots of variety with lottos. I was thinking of LOT3 template and let me show the advantages of just LOT3;
1) It will make competition more fair (because walruses will match with walruses & casuals will match casuals
2) Stop walruses abusing CW (literally the reason why we are talking about lotto in the first place)
3) Make insta-surrenders unnecessary (because they as fast as insta-surrenders)
4) Make CW more casual friendly (Idle players also participate, Warzone world is not revolving around classic)
5) Increase overall participation (by offering 1 non-competitive template, CW will become much more inclusive)

▶ Moreover, FiveSmith has his own lotto idea ("Duel Lotto 1.0") and I saw OpenSeat, having a very interesting and even competitive lotto template. I hope one day, people will be open-minded about lottos and stop rejecting it without considering the advantages...

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@stefano36000

"I'll wait to see VERAVARI's recap about what Fizzer was responding to."

▶ I'm waiting for the next page. Since I'm doing these summaries for the people, it should be easily accessible. I'll post the updated summary after like 4-5 posts

Edited 4/13/2023 07:35:33