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Super ascension: 5/24/2022 00:47:11

Arcturus
Level 61
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I am in my third round after ascending two times.

After reading this post, I am not convinced of super ascending:
https://www.warzone.com/Forum/590438-super-ascension-know

Today, I have many artifacts, entering advancements phase 4, being able to complete levels much faster. Even more, with level 4 advancements I will be able to get artifacts faster and many other things.

Then, what would be the advantage of Super Ascending, considering I will have to lose almost everything I have got, and start over again?
Super ascension: 5/24/2022 04:31:26

Costanza
Level 22
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You'll get to play a bunch of new maps.
Super ascension: 5/24/2022 04:53:18


krinid 
Level 61
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It depends on what your goal for Idle is.

If you just want to clear Tutorial through HEH, collect many Artifacts, then don't SAsc, you're at the strongest place you'll ever be in the game under those parameters.

If you want to play the 17 new levels after HEH, Regio through Hex, then you need to SAsc at least once. You only have to do it once to unlock them, then every time you clear EH, they'll be available to you to replay them again if you so choose to. But as you know, you gotta lose all your artifacts except for 2 (or 3).

That said ... the new levels are kind of ugly, super annoying and imho require more Active artifacts than most people have. The shift goes from AV, SAC+FC, MBM, TMB, MD, to TS, QS, IM, TW, AcacheB, etc. It's more of a cache based game than market/merc game.

Several players have done a SASc, replay through EH, then move on to Regio, get wrecked b/c they don't have the right Adv's & Artifacts to beat the new levels, give up and go back to the old levels.
Super ascension: 5/24/2022 12:42:17

graemes
Level 60
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One mental framing that might help you is to think of the objective of the game as to collect and upgrade artifacts.

With this framing, super ascensions are a strategy to accelerate dig speed (and by extension, +25% AP and extra artifacts slots are a strategy to accelerate the speed you complete super ascensions).

I calculated the break even on digging artifacts as being roughly 2 years if you pour most of the super ascension bonuses into dig speed. Furthermore, this disregarded any Time Warp effects so in reality it would be significantly quicker in real time.

I calculated the breakeven point on getting artifacts faster as being less than 2 years and I ignored the effect of Time Warp so it’s probably closer to 1 year.

Right now I am viewing super ascensions as means to get faster digging speed
Super ascension: 5/24/2022 13:17:10


krinid 
Level 61
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Curious though, if you put all your SAsc bonuses to Faster Digging, will your dig speed exceed your clear speed at some point?

ie: will there come a time when you go through all the digs on a map and run out of sites to dig before you can actually clear the map and proceed to the next to get more digs available?

Assuming you'd invest in Auto-Dig in phase 4 to aid this strategy?

Edited 5/24/2022 13:17:36
Super ascension: 5/24/2022 15:09:11

Arcturus
Level 61
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@ graemes

With this framing, super ascensions are a strategy to accelerate dig speed (and by extension, +25% AP and extra artifacts slots are a strategy to accelerate the speed you complete super ascensions).


Do you mean per every super ascension I will have more slots to use artifacts in the game?
As usual, I have three slots plus one for passive artifacts only.
Super ascension: 5/24/2022 15:29:09


krinid 
Level 61
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You have to choose between +25% AP, +1 artifact carry over or +20% digging speed.

It's that choosing that hurts, the choosing, b/c any single one does not offset the loss of all AP/Adv's/most artifacts.

It feels a lot like losing all your arms and legs in exchange for 1 of +25% wisdom, +1 HP or +20% dexterity, then having to sit in the bacta tank for months on end to get back to former glory.
Super ascension: 5/25/2022 09:41:43


WarTog
Level 46
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Arcturus,

No, he means that one of the rewards you can choose when super-ascending is an extra slot to save an additional artifact. i.e. (3 artifacts instead of only 2.) If you choose this option repeatedly at future super ascensions, you can preserve 4 artifacts, then 5, etc., to build your arsenal.

But for game play, you will always have only 3 slots (plus the 4th Boy).
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