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Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/8/2014 17:18:53

JSA 
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Each week, I will try to update this thread. The idea behind it is to rank your top 25 players in the seasonal ladder this season in order of how you think the players will finish (or should finish).

Here are the first Top 25 of the JSA poll:
1. Szeweningen
2. Timinator
3. Ruthless Bastard
4. Yves
5. Mike
6. fatality
7. master of desaster
8. Angry Birds
9. Summer
10. TeddyFSB
11. Latnox
12. Frankdeslimste
13. GreenTea
14. Nomercy
15. Kappa (big move after his win vs Verzeher)
16. Math Wolf
17. TheWarlightMaster (rusty?)
18. ACL Tears
19. Kryzchu
20. abr
21. Tenshi
22. dwoogee
23. Lord Syvedyas (already 4-0)
24. timon92
25. Flyingbender

This season is very stacked. All 25 ranked here have a legitimate shot at winning the season in my opinion, as well as a few others that I did not rank in the top 25.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/9/2014 16:01:22


master of desaster 
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thanks for putting me so high, but i doubt i will end top 10 this season. no time for analyzing the games and i will probably even get booted :(
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/10/2014 01:50:35


Cheery Dog
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No vacations allowed this season, i could see a lot of people fall victim to that. (I have already, not that I would have got anywhere)
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/10/2014 02:43:00


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Big up Lord Wonky.


Flyingfatty could squash him for a last minute thriller.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/10/2014 02:49:37


lawm 
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No vacations? Interesting. Any reason why not? I know I was planning on using mine over thanksgiving and Christmas, as I imagine a lot of people do.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/10/2014 05:34:38


Master ARC 
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Phew. I don't feel so bad for losing to Sze now :)
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/10/2014 07:29:04


Latnox 
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No vacation? That is not true. At least my yesterday created game honor vacations. But boot settings are strange:
Vote to boot 2 days
Manual boot 3 days
Autoboot - none
Edit: looks like Fizer was lazy and he didn't check exact settings :P

Edited 11/10/2014 07:30:28
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/10/2014 11:07:27


Cheery Dog
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Tell that to my three games I got booted in while on vacation. They were start of the season games, but that means the template has now changed.

Yeah I'm not going to rejoin this seasonal ladder.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/10/2014 23:37:57


Darkpie 
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lol 50+ games just ended (players got booted) cause of that
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/11/2014 04:52:31


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah, i could have booted Flyingbender after 2 days. I sure hope fizzer has fixed the boot settings on games being created now
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/11/2014 05:04:50

Fizzer 
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Sorry about that guys. I forgot to turn on honoring vacations since the template creator had turned it off.

I tried to turn it on a few days ago but then it looks like somehow I messed up the boot options.

I just fixed it so now it should be all correct -- the boot options, and vacations are honored. I applied this both to new games being created and all existing ones.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/11/2014 12:21:10


Latnox 
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Lol I didn't knew you can change settings in existing games as well :)

Anyway, thanx for fixing this up.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/11/2014 16:13:21


ChrisCMU 
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Nice, i did not know he could fix current ones either. Whoever posted it did not check those settings first either
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/11/2014 23:06:19

JSA 
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The next update in the rankings:
1. Szeweningen: 3-0 (no good wins so far)
2. Yves: 4-0 (beat NoMercy
3. Timinator: 2-0 (No good wins so far)
4. Mike: 2-0 (beat GreenTea)
5. Ruthless Bastard: 3-0 (No good wins so far)
6. Angry Birds: 5-0 (No good wins so far)
7. Latnox: 5-0 (No good wins so far)
8. Summer: 2-0 (No good wins so far)
9. Flyingbender: 4-0 (Beat Niko and ps)
10. C-17: 4-0 (Beat fatality)
11. ACL Tears: 2-0 (No good wins so far)
12. Tenshi: 3-0 (No good wins so far)
13. dwoogee: 3-0 (No good wins so far)
14. Lord Syvedas: 5-0 (No good wins so far)
15. timon92: 2-0 (beat General Charles)
16. Braak: 3-0 (beat Dreamworker)
17. Gambler: 2-0 (beat Jehovah)
18. Nomercy: 3-1 (beat Kryzchu, lost to Yves)
19. Taisho: 2-0 (beat Kappa)
20. EZPickens: 5-0 (beat GreenTea)
21. Longhouse: 4-0 (No good wins so far)
22. fatality: 1-1 (lost to C-17)
23. Ineffable: 3-0 (No good wins so far)
24. Darkpie: 4-0 (beat Bananashake)
25. JV: 2-0

Players that are close to being ranked:
MG (2-0), Oh Noes (4-0), CONQUISTADORS (3-0), Old Surehand (1-0), Roooob (4-0), QB (1-0), Dom365 (3-0), Kryzchu (2-1), Chris37 (3-0), HHH (1-0)

Interesting season so far. Some games I want to watch that have already finished:
Yves vs Nomercy
Mike vs GreenTea
EZPickens vs GreenTea
fatality vs C-17
Nomercy vs Kryzchu

Game that should be intersting that is currently going that hasn't ended yet:
Latnox vs Angry Birds
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/11/2014 23:06:23

JSA 
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Edited 11/11/2014 23:07:21
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/12/2014 01:15:30


Master Turtle 
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I know I won't end top 25 but I am (5-0) although there hasn't been any good wins...
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/12/2014 02:18:36

Ollie 
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probably JSA knows that too so thats why you are not in there :P
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/12/2014 04:06:54

JSA 
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These rankings were a combination of what I expect of people's skills, and how they have played so far. Out of the 35 players mentioned above, there are roughly 30-35 more that are undefeated with at least two wins. Turtle, if you keep winning and get a win over one of the top 25, there's a very good chance you'll be ranked soon.

By the way, no players with zero games finished were ranked. This includes players such as Math Wolf, Frankdeslimste, and myself (although I won't rank myself anyways).
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/17/2014 23:05:26

JSA 
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1. Szeweningen: 5-0 (beat Dom365, Taisho)
2. Yves: 5-0 (beat Nomercy)
3. Mike: 7-0 (beat GreenTea, Braak)
4. Ruthless Bastard: 6-0 (beat Jehovah)
5. Angry Birds: 7-0 (beat Latnox)
6. Flyingbender: 5-0 (beat ps, Timinator, Niko)
7. Summer: 6-0 (beat Old Surehand, Oh Noes)
8. C-17: 7-0 (beat Taisho)
9. Lord Syvedas: 6-0 (beat Boston, Juvenille Deliquent)
10. TeddyFSB: 6-0
11. ACL Tears: 3-0
12. Tenshi: 5-0
13. dwoogee: 4-0
14. timon92: 3-0
15. EZPickens: 5-0 (beat GreenTea)
16. Frankdeslimste: 1-0
17. Grinche: 7-0 (beat Veelvraat)
18. Ineffable: 4-0
19. NoMercy: 3-1 (lost to Yves)
20. Timinator: 4-1 (lost to Flyingbender)
21. Vendetta: 4-0 (beat Longhouse)
22. Darkpie: 4-0 (beat Bananashake)
23. Oh Noes: 6-1 (beat Kryzchu, lost to Summer)
24. Latnox: 5-1 (lost to Angry Birds)
25. JV: 2-0

Players that are close to being ranked:
Kappa (5-1), Master of the dead (4-0), Math Wolf (2-0), CONQUISTADORS (4-0), Vortex (6-0), MG (3-0), Pushover (5-0), ollie (3-0), Jackie Treehorn (6-0), The Turtle (6-0), Robin Hood (4-0), Gambler (6-1), Jefferspin (5-1), Adrionox (3-0), Wowso (3-0)
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/18/2014 07:16:19


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I heavily recommend watching Yves vs Bigchps147, especially from turn 13 onwards, a very nice display on why not to surrender early, test your opponent to the limit and utilise late orders.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/22/2014 03:56:37

JSA 
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1. Szeweningen: 6-0 (beat Dom365, Taisho, EZPickens)
2. Yves: 5-0 (beat Nomercy, Bigchps)
3. Mike: 7-0 (beat Braak, GreenTea)
4. Ruthless Bastard: 7-0 (beat Jehovah, Vortex)
5. Angry Birds: 7-0 (beat Latnox)
6. Summer: 7-0 (beat Surehand, Oh Noes)
7. C-17: 7-0 (beat Taisho)
8. TeddyFSB: 7-0 (beat Heyheuhei)
9. Tenshi: 6-0
10. Lord Syvedas: 7-0 (beat Turtle, Juvenille Deliquant)
11. ACL Tears: 3-0
12. Jackie Treehorn: 7-0 (beat Flyingbender)
13. timon92: 4-0 (beat General Charles)
14. Flyingbender: 7-1 (beat Timinator, ps, EZPickens, Niko; lost to Jackie Treehorn)
15. Master Adrianokx: 6-0 (beat dwoogee)
16. Darkpie: 5-0 (beat Chris37 and Bananashake)
17. MG: 5-0 (beat Vendetta)
18. JV: 4-0
19. Pushover: 6-0 (beat Jefferspin and ps)
20. ollie: 6-0 (beat Niko)
21. Ineffable: 4-0
22. Math Wolf: 4-0
23. Latnox: 6-1 (beat Oh Noes; lost to Angry Birds)
24. Gol D. Rogers: 4-0 (beat Verzeher)
25. Kappa: 7-1 (beat Frankdeslimste, abr, Verzeher; lost to Taisho)

Players that are close to being ranked:
Orange (3-0), El Diablo (7-0), Apollo (4-0), Robin Hood (5-0), Old Surehand (4-1), Vendetta (5-1), Longhouse (7-1), Frankdeslimste (3-1), dwoogee (7-1), Gambler (6-1)

I now see 26 undefeated players with 3 games or more that have been won. Interesting start to the season. Timinator dropped two games to two very talented players (dwoogee, Flyingbender) who both also lost to a previously unranked player. Szeweningen has solidified his #1 ranking with 3 good wins already, the most out of any of the undefeated players. Jackie Treehorn and master Adrianokx are both guys to keep an eye on; both beat very skilled players who would have likely been in the top 10 if they had not been upset by Jackie and Adrianokx.

The game Szeweningen mentioned is very entertaining. Excellent play down the stretch from Yves.

Edited 11/22/2014 04:01:41
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/25/2014 13:25:35


AWOL Gls AJ
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As i like this map i hope i can finally show that i'm good enough to get nice and high. :)
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/26/2014 18:41:10

JSA 
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1. Szeweningen: 7-0 (beat Dom365, Taisho, EZPickens, C-17)
2. Yves*: 7-0 (beat Nomercy, Bigchps, El Diablo, Old Surehand)
3. Angry Birds*: 8-0 (beat Latnox, dwoogee)
4. Ruthless Bastard: 7-0 (beat Vortex, Jehovah)
5. TeddyFSB: 9-0 (beat Flyingbender, Heyheuhei)
6. Summer: 8-0 (beat Old Surehand, Oh Noes)
7. Darkpie: 8-0 (beat Turtle, Chris37, Bananashake, Ineffable, Vendetta)
8. Lord Syvedas: 7-0 (beat Juvenile Deliqument, Turtle)
9. MG: 7-0 (beat GreenTea, Vendetta)
10. Orange: 6-0 (beat JSA)
11. Jackie Treehorn: 7-0 (beat Flyingbender)
12. Pushover: 8-0 (beat Jefferspin, Mirror, ps)
13. ollie: 7-0 (beat Niko)
14. Gol D. Roger*: 8-0 (beat Jefferspin)
15. Math Wolf: 5-0
16. JV: 4-0
17. Robin Hood: 5-0 (beat Silver)
18. Rento: 5-0
19. NoobSchool*: 9-1 (beat Roob, Flyingbender, Latnox, Vendetta; lost to Mirror)
20. Longhouse: 10-1 (beat Latnox, Mike, Vortex; lost to Vendetta)
21. [Bajitan] nightfly: 8-2 (beat Flyingbender, Bigchps, Tenshi; lost to Yves, Latnox)
22. Deadman: 5-1 (beat Gambler, Arkanton, QB; lost to Bigchps)
23. dwoogee: 8-2 (beat C-17, Timinator; lost to Adrionlox, Angry Birds)
24. EZPickens: 7-2 (beat Mike, Gambler, GreenTea; lost to Szeweningen, Flyingbender)
25. Kappa*: 7-1 (beat Frankdeslimste, lost to Taisho)

Players that are close to being ranked:
Kryzchu (9-2), Juvenile Delinquent (9-2), Tenshi (7-1), Ineffable (4-1), timon92 (5-1), Adrionokx (6-1), Hornacek (6-1), Grinche (7-1), CONQUISTADORS (6-1), Mike (7-2)
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/27/2014 02:00:44


his balls. 
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I know I've been playing this a while now but sometimes the ranking systems are so confusing. How is taisho above teddy right now? Is it purely unlucky that teddy has only played low ranked players? Or is there a way to maximise your chances of playing higher ranked players?

Oh yeah. What does the star mean next to some players in your list?

Edited 11/27/2014 02:04:15
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/27/2014 02:37:56


Beren • apex 
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I assumed the star meant an alt, but then NoobSchool had a star...
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/27/2014 03:19:38


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@his balls
On observing the seasonal ladder(for 1.5 seasons), I believe the rating system awards points based on a number of factors.

Some which I'm almost certain of:
- Number of games you are currently active in.
- the rating of players you have beaten.
- the number of days you have been on the ladder.(I know this because I was keeping pace with most players with similar records, but had to leave the ladder for a few days and have now fallen behind)
- the date you join the ladder(which ties in with the above point as well)

Teddy is behind because he joined this season a bit late.

To maximize your chances of playing higher rated players, you must join early, win your initial games and stay on the ladder.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/27/2014 03:31:21

JSA 
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There is a star next to alts and accounts that are being played by another player. NoobSchool has not been on warlight in the last couple months; someone else is playing his games currently.

And yeah, it's a big disadvantage if you face poor players early in the seasonal, or if you play a good player who then drops out very soon afterwards. I think Ottoman Emperor had the best record one season, but because he joined late, he ended up outside of the top 10.
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/27/2014 08:26:47


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As far i remember Widzisz won all 20 games, but because he joined lately, his opponent's were quite weak and he was low in the final ranking.
However,

- Number of games you are currently active in.
- the rating of players you have beaten.
- the number of days you have been on the ladder.(I know this because I was keeping pace with most players with similar records, but had to leave the ladder for a few days and have now fallen behind)
- the date you join the ladder(which ties in with the above point as well)


That's not true.
Seasonal work almost the some way like 1v1 and 2v2, the one and only difference is that you get 65 points for every* finished games. And that's why ranking looks flawed during the game - finishing game make your rating better - even if you lose.
Also note, that your opponents bonus points didn't count toward your rating - it's better to win against someone who played 5 games and won all of them than someone who played 20 games and lost all of them(despite the later one's rating will be higher). This is because the rating caluclation looks that way:
1. Calculate the ELO rating for all games (as for 1v1 ladder)
2. Apply bonuses points for finsished games


* only for first 20 games, no bonus for finish 21st


edit:

Or is there a way to maximise your chances of playing higher ranked players?

In this case i'm not so sure, but from my observations i would say bonus points didn't matter. So: finish your wins quickly and drag your losses. Can't think about anything besides that.

Edited 11/27/2014 08:36:08
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/27/2014 12:11:55

Ollie 
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I have joined this season before it started and never left. Still undefeated, 7-0, but very unlucky with my opponents. Only player who had a decent rating and chances for better (niko) dropped ladder immediately after i beated him. Think i am the lowest ranked player who is still undefeated...
Seasonal Ladder Top 25: 11/27/2014 12:55:27


his balls. 
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Its as if those guys at the top know something we don't when it comes to getting match ups.
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