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Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 18:05:45

Parsifal
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Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 18:06:43


Z
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Thank you sir, that is quite handy.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 18:33:49


JK_3 
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Thanks, especially the tech tree is very useful!
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 19:00:54


Z
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Potential Phase 4 Upgrades
(Based off of what is missing in Phase 1-3)

Increased Platinum Production (and other later ores like Titanium, etc.)
Increased Armies from Caches
Army Camp Visibility
Cache Visibility
Smelter/Crafter Efficiency
Auto-Draft (or something to make Draft easier)
Increased Money from Territories
Multi-Level

Speculation:
Craft/Smelt Double
Triple Strike
Some sort permanent Fog Buster (like see 2 deep rather than 1)

I don't think there will be AP Upgrades for Hospitals because when they were added, there were no notes about changing AP Upgrades while there were notes for changing Techs to include Hospitals.

Edited 4/6/2021 19:13:01
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 19:04:26


SubLunar Unit 
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I think there is a multilevel advancement in phase 4.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 19:07:15


Splat
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    I think there is a multilevel advancement in phase 4.

Likely considering Fizzer hinted at this in the WZI section on the About page
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 19:12:51


Z
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That's good to know.

I have heard hints of something for Drafting as well.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:06:41


krinid 
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What were the Drafting hints? There's already this one. Maybe Drafting frequency? Or auto-drafting?

Increased Draft Sizes
Increases armies received from drafting by 10%. Upgradable to 300% in 10% increments.


Has anyone unlocked phase 4 yet?

These would be pretty sweet:
Increased Armies from Caches
Auto-Draft (or something to make Draft easier)
Increased Money from Territories
Multi-Level
Craft/Smelt Double
Triple Strike
Some sort permanent Fog Buster (like see 2 deep rather than 1)


Edited 4/6/2021 20:12:30
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:09:10


Z
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A convo I had with Fizzer way back:

"The draft is intentionally a little hard to find. Eventually you can buy the Auto-Draft advancement, and if we made drafting too easy it would reduce the usefulness of this advancement."
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:09:35


JK_3 
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Oh dang, well that sucks....
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:14:54


krinid 
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Although ... there is potential that Auto-drafting could actually result in LOWER drafts.

Unless you leave your Draft Boost artifact equipped while going Idle. But you're missing out on armies/money/whatever you equip when going idle.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:19:27


JK_3 
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Well since drafts are trying to catch you up to some % of total armies drafted, I dont see the point of getting bigger or more drafts, and especially not for the costs of a phase 4 advancement.

If its over 200 AP its not worth buying....
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:22:20


Z
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Many of the upgrades are for convenience rather than advantage. (see Increased Idle Time or Auto-Sell)

Auto-Draft would save you from headaches on levels like Triskellion.

I used Draft Boost artifact for fodder. You are better off upgrading a fulltime artifact than swapping weaker artifacts around.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:29:06

Parsifal
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Draft Boost to fodder? brave!
I use it constantly. The boost is not big, but it adds up!

What I'm thinking about is my latest AP investment. I upgraded "Increased AP" to the max, but now I heard you can ascend and reboot all you maps - now I question my decision. Maybe at this stage it's better to invest my AP into boosting armies and mercenaries.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:32:55


krinid 
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I've never truly understood that. I've assumed that "Draft Boost" meant that it's taking X from the draft pool but giving you X*Y armies, where Y is your bonus (Advancement + Artifacts). If not ... agree, it's a b slap in disguise, and I don't think Fizz would do that (intentional mislead players into spending AP on an actually misleading and useless AP advancement or artifact).

What I can say is this: after I've depleted my pool and continually get drafts every 6 minutes, they are consistently higher when the artifact is equipped. So whatever value results is by default the lowest possible draft value (empty pool), so if it's higher with the artifact, this would indicate that it is indeed X from pool, X*Y awarded. But no way to confirm beyond this b/c you never know what the draft would have been without the artifact (or AP advancement) or vice versa.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:35:14


krinid 
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I maxed it out to 25% as well ... and b/c we're now soon ascending, we'll get more AP on the 2nd playthrough. The more you play, the more benefit you'll get. But you have to play a lot to make up for spending 7700 AP on just getting more AP. 35,000 or so AP earnings is the break-even point -- too high a cost imho, but undoing it now is silly. At +25%, it's finally time to reap the max rewards!

Draft Boost to fodder? brave!
I use it constantly. The boost is not big, but it adds up!

What I'm thinking about is my latest AP investment. I upgraded "Increased AP" to the max, but now I heard you can ascend and reboot all you maps - now I question my decision. Maybe at this stage it's better to invest my AP into boosting armies and mercenaries.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:37:02


JK_3 
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wow, 7700 AP...

Can someone send me some more AP please, I really need it to progress :(

(Looking at you Fizzer)
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:44:50

Parsifal
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too high a cost imho, but undoing it now is silly

I'm really tempted to use 150 coins for a reset. Imagine how faster will you fly through the levels with 7700 AP invested it things you really need... and if after completing all the maps for the second time you can ascend again then I don't really see the point in having 25% more
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 20:44:58


krinid 
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LOL JK

Btw, has any invested in Starts with Techs?

It sounded good at first read ... but the that means you get Drafts at level start ... and the next 9 after that if maxed out ... but that's not really such a big deal. Those are (A) the easiest techs to get, and (B) that just means all the mines and recipes you get for the first 20% of the map will be irrelevant, and you have nothing much to do in that phase - can't build the stuff you actually need for the next 10 techs, so it's not really saving much. But (A) is the biggest issue.

If it unlocked the _next_ 10 locked techs, then that would be worth investing in. So when you unlocked Drafts yourself, it moves the benefit to the 11th tech in the tree, etc. Especially at cost of 1289 AP for the 1st free tech unlock (Drafts), it's just not worth it when you can get that yourself in the first few hours of playing a multi-week level, and you will need to get those resources anyhow to get the 2nd through 10th techs.

@parsifal
I'm really tempted to use 150 coins for a reset. Imagine how faster will you fly through the levels with 7700 AP invested it things you really need... and if after completing all the maps for the second time you can ascend again then I don't really see the point in having 25% more

+25% means EVENTUALLY you will have more AP advancements ... but as I said, you won't see the benefits of until likely playing every level twice or so. You're probably better just spending it on true advancements. BUT if you've already spent the AP and slogged through levels without it, then you've ALREADY PAID THE PRICE and you can't undo that, so may as well get the +25% now. You will now get the benefits.

Edited 4/6/2021 20:47:17
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/6/2021 21:52:05

Parsifal
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but as I said, you won't see the benefits of until likely playing every level twice or so

For now I only see my army production dropped from 250% to 100% and I'm not happy. So that's it. I've done it. I reset my AP and will enjoy my ascension fully equipped. Am I going to be sorry in the future? Very likely.
But for now I'll sleep like a kitten!
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/7/2021 07:41:21

Zealoustowski
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Btw, has any invested in Starts with Techs?

It sounded good at first read ... but the that means you get Drafts at level start ... and the next 9 after that if maxed out ... but that's not really such a big deal. Those are (A) the easiest techs to get, and

Haven't gotten it, but I imagine it can give you a noticeable edge in the early-game of Battles.
Upgrade it to 4, and you're guaranteed to start with the ability to draft.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/7/2021 09:54:47

Olja 
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@krinid The start with tech advancement is not bad, but I recommend to save AP for increased money from bonuses first which is the only really good advancement in phase 3 imo (meaning that investing in several phase 1 and 2 advancements gives a better pay-off than those of phase 3).

Tech advancement only gives you one of the top row techs when you start, so your chance of getting drafting is 1/4 if you only have 1 tech advancement. Also, tech advancement is pretty expensive, not only for the first unlock. Unlike the other AP advancements, which are usually continuing with low AP once you unlocked them - tech advancement upgrade requires 1600 AP from 3 to 4 techs (don't remember the numbers of the previous upgrades but they were not cheap either). So all in all, tech advancement is ok but only recommended after you got most of phase 1 and some of phase 2 advancements and increased bonus money in phase 3.

Edited 4/7/2021 11:09:24
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Timinator • apex 
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Has hospital visability been mentioned yet?
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/7/2021 14:11:33


Z
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Draft Boost to fodder? brave!
I use it constantly. The boost is not big, but it adds up!


Not really. People underestimate the value of upgrading, and they like toggling their artifacts about.

Example:
I currently have an Epic Army Camp Boost. I used Draft boost as fodder for it. In my current level, I have received 10.78 B from camps and 3.02 B from drafts.

With my Epic ACB, my boost is 455% (also including Tech Boosts), so for simplicity we can say that my base income without boosts would have been:
10.78/(1+4.55)=1.94 B

So my Epic ACB contributed 1.94*0.8 = 1.55 B, and if I left it at Rare it would have contributed half that at 0.78 B.

Meanwhile, if I kept my Rare Draft Boost (16%), I would have earned an additional 3.02*0.16 = 0.48 B.

You are better off using upgraded artifacts full time rather than swapping about weaker ones. I am actually under estimating the value of the ACB because it would have had a greater affect before I had the tech upgrades.

By not upgrading and keeping weaker varied artifacts, you are hindering yourself. If you use some that you have on hand while you are waiting to upgrade, that is one thing, but in almost all cases, you are best off using anything other than your mains as fodder.

Edited 4/7/2021 15:56:13
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Z
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Has hospital visability been mentioned yet?[/]

Unlikely, when Hospitals and Dig Sites were added, there was no mention in the update notes that there were any changes to AP Advancements.
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/7/2021 18:19:56


Muli 
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Edited 4/8/2021 18:12:25
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krinid 
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Thanks Muli, 1st time seeing phase 4!

And also ...

HOLY >>>>>>>>>

13301 AP to unlock

20,000 for 1st upgrade thereafter! (This is the only Advancement that INCREASES for 1st upgrade?)

eggaaaaaaaaaaadz

Edited 4/7/2021 18:31:58
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/7/2021 18:42:24


SubLunar Unit 
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When I'm eighty years old and lying on my deathbed, I'll finally upgrade the Simultaneous Levels Advancement to level 5 and then I'll be able to die peacefully.

Edited 4/7/2021 18:42:52
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Splat
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    20,000 for 1st upgrade thereafter! (This is the only Advancement that INCREASES for 1st upgrade?)

Did you just completely skip the info for the stats advancement?
Full Tech Tree & AP list: 4/7/2021 18:48:05


krinid 
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Did you just completely skip the info for the stats advancement?

Touche ... I got Stats as soon as they came out without even looking at the costs much at all. But you're right, it is an increase, albeit a marginal one - goes up 50 AP, compared to this 6700 AP increase!
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