None of the clans say they have participation/partnership with any other clan in there clan page. The only one that does is 101st/Lynx.

On a serious note though, the decision has been made. I hope I've made my reasons clear. Trust me when I say that if we see any collusion, there will be bans.

Fair enough. Your league, your rules. I'll respect it but it's a poor decision. This fundamentally increases the chances of collusion, if you're allowing main and feeder clan into the same division. I don't understand how from a perspective from a league organiser this is a positive development. At the minimum, I don't understand why you can't delegate their fixtures to play at the first round, costs nothing and would address the main concerns. It's just poor. What other league has this principle even? It makes no sense to me.

Ultimately, Although the threat of banning isn't a good reason to bring in such a rule, I do hope your strategy of threatening to ban is enough to deter cases of collusion. In my opinion, over the long run I don't think so. Time will tell I suppose. Thanks for replying.

Edited 9/6/2020 19:15:17

Depends on how big it is, but yeah, 0 tolerance policy regardless. Honestly this would be policy for all clans/players regardless of affiliation.

"None of the clans say they have participation/partnership with any other clan in there clan page. The only one that does is 101st/Lynx."

WG and SNinja used to dedicate a portion of their clan page to each other. It was a joke, but could easily be taken seriously. Especially since at that point the clans shared everything from a discord to a PR league together. They have since distanced themselves in the public eye though.

FCC/Discovery is another sibling clan as well, and probably more likely to play in the same division than 101st and lynx.

CORP and TJC were close clans up until their merger in late CL10. Both clans also shared several alts between the clans.

Masters/Apps similarly developed like 101st/lynx though outside of 2 players moving up early on, the clans were run independently with the only real things connecting us being our friendship and hatred for each other.

Avengers and The Wizards were brother clans much in the same way and even played in the same division together.

Actually, the only relation between CORP and TJC was that some losers were members of both clans. The clans themselves never really did anything together before they decided to merge.

@cowboy
Nah, the shared P/R league still exists, reza has just been too lazy to organize the next season so it has been on a pause for a while now.
We also never really shared a discord together so that has hardly changed either.
And for the "used to dedicate portion of their clan page to each other" the "currently slaughtering WG in clan league" wouldn't really have been funny after cl 10 :p

Nah, it was "If you aren't skilled enough for 'x' join our sister clan 'y'"

And I don't remember which discord it was, but there used to be dedicated roles to WG and SNinja members.

While it is a weak correlation, I agree, I personally don't find it any less likely that a clan with y'alls type of relationship wouldn't do the same thing.

Nah, can't ban entire clans for 2-3 members colluding, it would be very unfair.
Permanent ban for the players doing it though, no matter what clans they might join later on.

I don't see that as harsh. Ban both clans and if players who weren't directly involved want to play Clan League in the future they have to join a new clan.

I still can't get over the fact that were having this discussion before 101st has even promoted... Big waste of breath imo, since it will certainly come up again if they do.

@TLA LND

Rules of CL Drama:

1) First Rule of CL Drama: You do talk about CL Drama
2) Second Rule of CL Drama: You do talk about CL Drama
3) Third Rule of CL Drama: Someone yells "Be reasonable!," goes on vacation, or quits being CL organizer the CL Drama keeps going!
4) Fourth Rule of CL Drama: Only as many people that can be dragged into the CL Drama can be dragged into the CL Drama
5) Fifth Rule of CL Drama: As many CL Dramas as possible at a time.
6) Sixth Rule of CL Drama: No personal insults, no harassment.
7) Seventh Rule of CL Drama: The CL Drama will go on as long is has to.
8) Eight Rule of CL Drama: If this is your first time in CL you will witness drama.

Edited 9/7/2020 01:50:41

I don't see that as harsh. Ban both clans and if players who weren't directly involved want to play Clan League in the future they have to join a new clan.

Do you mean permanently or just for a few seasons?

Banning entire clans permanently would be pretty harsh in my opinion. Perhaps banned until leadership change and then revised, but still a couple of seasons minimum?

@Phobos
All very true, I guess I was forgetting the Fifth Rule of CL Drama.

lol

Ban lynx, problem solved

Substitution For Division A:

Clan: MH
Player out: Berenbossen https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=2755242500
Player in: Hazlenut https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=6421129301
Tournament: 3v3 dRor
Subs left for MH: 11

do we have a specific thread for every div?

edit: nvm i found them

Edited 9/8/2020 17:41:07

cancelled

Edited 9/9/2020 17:52:09

Substitution for Division C:

Clan: Hydra
Player out: Blortis https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=137402733
Player in: Benjamin628 https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=9936698896
Tournament: 2v2 Volcano Island
Subs left for Hydra: 11

Edited 9/8/2020 18:58:45

A bug has appeared in the CLOT. Multiple games were created that shouldn't have been. -B and Justin are looking into it. most of the games that were created have been deleted, although one seems to remain for Blitz. -B will delete this game manually. Before we fix this bug, no tournaments will be started. It should be fixed soon though.

how many games?

that's how many mistakes it'll count as!

it's been suspiciously quiet Farah, what other cockups have you been hiding from us?!

Edited 9/15/2020 08:32:01