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The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/23/2020 03:28:43


Benjamin628 
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Does anyone have reliable information on the ongoing situation? Seems like Google is borderline censoring it and haven't seen anything out of Western media.

From what I know, they are putting Uyghur Muslims in boxcars in the Xinjiang "autonomous" province, shaving their heads, and sterilizing and "re-educating" them.

Fuck the CCP. Fuck Chairman Xi. Fuck anyone who condones or apologizes this.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/23/2020 04:21:13


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A Google search for "Uighur news" seems to work fine for me; the top results are all about crimes against humanity being currently committed by China. The suggested questions are all about what's happening right now to them. For me, the World Uyghur Congress's site is among the top results. There's also an NYT tag for it, and it seems like the NYT recently found evidence that China's face masks are being made using forced Uighur labor.

What's the issue in your search results?

Edited 7/23/2020 04:22:32
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/23/2020 07:46:36


berdan131
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I'm not talking specifically about uighurs, but do you think in general Muslims and non Muslims can coexist peacefully? I think a good example is Sweden where Muslim immigrants turn safe neighbourhoods into shitholes full of violence.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/23/2020 12:34:40


goralgn
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Western civilization And Islam as a religion Religion (muslim) Clash with each other sometimes

as an example usually in western society is accepting of homosexuality but a Religous Muslim (do keep in mind not all Muslims practice religion seriously) Would See homosexuality as immoral or worst case scenario as a disease that must be cured from a person and i saw a video (link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faSKWFZE1zE&t=1s ) that explains this example better than i ever could.

do i think Muslims and non-muslims can coexist yes if they are not religiously Fanatic about Islam (like me for an example) but with islamic world going more and more conservative islamist over the years (turkey included) i am scared for the future of the Islamic world.

(What i mean By Conservative islamist means more and More Policies will be acted based on religion rather than basic thinking of a modern society)

(I felt Like I sounded Like A homophobic Here So I want to add That I support gay rights Who the duck Cares Who Do You love as long as they love you back I don't see the problem)

Edited 7/23/2020 12:36:21
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/24/2020 07:48:48


Loxiiv 
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coreby_thepenguin showed me a podcast the other day called china unscripted, which is just a podcast about china, and they made an episode on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUTUVxw7VXc (China's Slow Motion Uyghur Genocide | Arslan Hidayat)
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/24/2020 11:46:34


Pepe the Great
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China treats anyone terribly who undermines the authority of the state. Look at how many Christians have been arrested there too.

@berdan As long as the Muslim in question behaves like Muhammad, no they can't. Theoretically all Muslims should strive to be like Muhammad, but not all of them do, thankfully.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/24/2020 16:45:24


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Islam, as a religion, is clean

Islam, as an ideology, is tainted

Islam, as a culture, is broken

It wasn't always this way. Originally, women were treat relatively well under Islam. Then social conservatism happened and it got worse and worse. Then the ottomans got fucked and westerners intruded. Economies went to shit, radical ideas went up, rinse and repeat until oil makes the region rich and they can afford to invest in deadly organizations.

If you want a local country, blame the saudis. But overall, it's been our fault for over half a century.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/24/2020 18:30:01


goralgn
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As A turk I Want To Say This To You

Islam as a Culture (IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD) Is Still in the medieval ages not broken (that's how they make me feel if it isn't true to you okay cool but that's how they make ME feel ok?)

Islam as a ruling ideology Grown Corrupt, CANCEROUS and basically became oligarchic.

Islam As A Religion Is Becoming more radical or did you forget about ISIS?

Edited 7/24/2020 18:36:33
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/24/2020 19:52:34


Pepe the Great
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@Tungsten Islam, as a religion, is fascist (in the genuine meaning of the word).
Tell me, who invaded the Muslims in the 600s that caused them to create an empire from Pakistan to Spain? The Saudis weren't even around when this was written:
https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/40/8
https://sunnah.com/urn/1294400
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/77/42 (specifically the first part of this)

Qur'an 4:34 - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
In most translations the word "lightly" is added in brackets after "beat them", but "lightly" doesn't appear in the Arabic.

Qur'an 9:29 - "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger Muhammad (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Finally, if you want an in depth analysis that uses sources and not just long speeches like Muslims love to give: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzo68vZ1TZ4
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/24/2020 21:04:10


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This is a stupid alt-rightfest. Some of my best friends and colleagues are muslim. Most are very kind and mild mannered. There are ~3.5 million living all across the USA. If they were all causing problems... I think it would be pretty obvious.

And no matter the ideology, cultural genocide, as in what the CCP is doing, is NOT something I favor.

Edited 7/24/2020 21:05:40
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/25/2020 01:49:28


Pepe the Great
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@Aura Ah yes, ignore the sources, just call us alt right. The video I posted was that of an Arab.

Refer to my last comment: Theoretically all Muslims should strive to be like Muhammad, but not all of them do, thankfully.
We're talking about the ideology itself, not whether people adhere to that ideology.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/25/2020 12:20:57


goralgn
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"This is a stupid alt-rightfest. Some of my best friends and colleagues are muslim. Most are very kind and mild mannered. There are ~3.5 million living all across the USA. If they were all causing problems... I think it would be pretty obvious"

if they are not religiously Fanatic about Islam Yes This is true arent you reading the stuff aura? or did I misunderstood you? no one claimed all Muslims are causing problems hell I said "do i think Muslims and non-muslims can coexist yes if they are not religiously Fanatic about Islam (like me for an example) but with islamic world going more and more conservative islamist over the years (turkey included) i am scared for the future of the Islamic world."


BTW Alt- Right Is Usually means NEO-NAZIS and I don't think it applies here since no one here (apart from me right now)have said purge the Muslims as I understand it.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/25/2020 14:41:42


TungstenTrex
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I still stand by my claim that as a religion, it's not a virus of satan.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/25/2020 22:09:21


goralgn
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"I still stand by my claim that as a religion, it's not a virus of satan."

Pepe said "Islam, as a religion, is fascist"
I Said "Islam as a Religion Becoming more radical or did you forget about ISIS?"

Who said it was a virus of satan?
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/26/2020 00:20:56


TungstenTrex
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Lol
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/27/2020 01:41:02

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Why are people so divided by religion, can’t we just have peace? Smh.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/27/2020 04:44:07


berdan131
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Some people like Aura Guardian would just like to wear pink sunglasses and live in love, peace and freedom utopia. And everyone who talks about differences is just a stupid alt-rightist neo nazi lol xD

I like to see the full picture.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/27/2020 14:49:17


goralgn
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"Why are people so divided by religion, can’t we just have peace? Smh."

No because Everyone has a different opinion

You want to know My Real Thoughts On religion (in general)

"Religion Is A Rotting Corpse That is Poisoning All Of Our Lives"

I Dont Care Which god You Workship Like I Said Before

"I Dont care If Your God Exist Or Mine Exists As I See It Either All Gods Exist Or None Do"

And If This 2 Quotes Feel like they are clashing without the info i will right down now they are

Here is the thing As Long As You Dont believe a god has Power Over You More Then likely They Dont Why Because I believe The Gods Need The Prayers Of Their Followers To Have Power over Them

Edited 7/27/2020 15:00:50
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/27/2020 18:29:53


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Fundamental Islam is no more dangerous than fundamental Christianity. Just like Christianity, the fight against it should be against fundamentalism, rather than just the religion itself.

Regardless, fundamental or not, this is no excuse for what the Chinese are doing to the Uyghurs.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/27/2020 19:14:53


Aura Guardian 
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Some people like Aura Guardian would just like to wear pink sunglasses and live in love, peace and freedom utopia. And everyone who talks about differences is just a stupid alt-rightist neo nazi lol xD


Absolutely false. I tend to think the world is a very fucked up place. Such as the CCP detaining millions of people in what are quite literally concentration camps to sinicize them.

I like to see the full picture.


Says everyone always.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/27/2020 20:06:44


TungstenTrex
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Except the flavor of Islam driving the terror we see from jihadists is worse than fundamentalists ideals. This is wahabbism, the result of extreme destabilization.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/27/2020 20:53:15


goralgn
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i do not know what fundamental means
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/27/2020 21:46:14


Pepe the Great
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Fundamentalism - "A form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture."

Under that definition, I'd be a fundamentalist. Am I a danger to society just like Muslim terrorists? I'm also a libertarian, meaning I don't want to force Christian morality on a nation's laws. Voluntarily desiring to keep the commandments of God is precisely what God wants.

John 7:17 - "If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself" - Jesus
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/28/2020 05:54:37


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I mean, anyone who applies this deserves to be called a terrorist:
"If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, and none of the condemned things are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes." The holy bible
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/28/2020 12:20:46


Pepe the Great
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Literal interpretation of the bible doesn't mean that everything in the old covenant/historic portions of the bible are applicable laws for us to follow. The new covenant version of that command would be 1 Corinthians 5:11-13:

"But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler - not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/28/2020 12:31:48


Loxiiv 
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Fundamentalism - "A form of a religion, especially Islam or Protestant Christianity, that upholds belief in the strict, literal interpretation of scripture."
we have now agreed that you are not a fundamentalist, and fundamentalist christians are terrorists

however, even IF, which they aren't, even if all uighurs were fundamentalists, they do not deserve this treatment
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/28/2020 12:44:07


🇵🇸TheNoob 🇵🇸
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Wtf guyz seems like none of you actually knows what Islam is.
To start eith, the question on wether muslims and non muslims can co-exist, I find this a stupid and ignorant question, Muhammad PBUH had Jewish and Christian neighbors. In Islam we have to respect Jews and Christians no natter what and if they live in our countries we must respect them and treat them with good.(I can give you verses if you would like). Secondly, in Islam we can only fight those who attack us, we have a verse saying (Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors). Then regarding Jizya, Jizya is just like today's Taxes, it is payed to the country by Non-Muslims, while Muslims on the other hand pay something called Zakat. You may ask me why they are different and the answer is simple, Zakat is a religious obligation and if we force it on non muslims we would be forcing our religion which is Haram(forbidden ), so Non Muslims pay Jizya as taxes for the country. As for the first question if we can live with other religions YES we can, I live in Jerusalem and I have been raised in a Christian school, have Christian friends and I am a conservative muslim. When Omar controlled Jerusalem in the first time, he gave a promise (a written one) that we will protect the Christians in Jerusalem and other places and allow them to practice their religions freely but if you want to compare, when crusaders came to Jerusalem they used to kill non muslims and force them out of the city.. Another example would be Andalusia (Muslim Spain) where Muslims, Jews and Christians live peacefully... And your questions are very ignorant that I can't even understand if it is serious, There are TWO BILLION MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD, if our religion is telling us to kill or harm others then the whole earth would be dead, do you understand how much is 2 billions?
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/28/2020 13:10:05


berdan131
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@Aura Guardian

I'm surprised you even read my message, because I'm on your blacklist for some strange reason.
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/28/2020 13:20:51


Loxiiv 
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the bible has verses way worse than the quran, yet there are 2.4 billion of them...
the quran has undeniably terrorist, homophobic and sexist quotes, but it is your choice to apply them or not. i believe muslims who choose wisely what to believe have a good sense of morality and are kind from my experience. the thing pushed forward is that all religious fundamentalism is bad. i am not calling all muslims terrorists, i am only calling extremists terrorists and unfit for society
The Uyghur Muslim Situation: 7/28/2020 14:09:16


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@Loxiiv https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fundamentalism Clearly you don't know what Christian fundamentalism is then. Those commands were specifically for the Israelites at that time, the biblical text is clear about that. The principle still applies in the verses from 1 Cor. I quoted. If you think fundamentalists take the quote from Deuteronomy and apply it to today, then there'd be no Christian fundamentalists.

@TheNoob
Jami' at-Tirmidhi 2700 - "Narrated Abu Hurairah: that the Messenger of Allah said: "Do not precede the Jews and the Christians with the Salam. And if one of you meets them in the path, then force them to its narrow portion.""
Sahih Muslim 1767 a - "It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim." - Look at all this respect.
Qur'an 9:29 - "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger Muhammad (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." - Notice it doesn't say those who fight you.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4557 - "Narrated Abu Huraira: The Verse:--"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam."
Qur'an 5:51 - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

If you know Islam so well, call Christian Prince the next time he's live on Youtube. His main channel is The Arabian Prophet and his Skype is DebateTV.
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