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-1, making vacations unbreakable is absolutely bad. I agree the vacation system could be better; for example, have a set number of days you can take vacation for per year. Not a set amount of vacations you can take for 1-10 days.
Let's say vacations become unbreakable. When I set a vacation, it'll always be for 10 days, as I might be able to get back to playing a day or two later than I intend to. Better safe than sorry. Now, when I am back in time, I can't play for the remainder of the 10 days I set, stalling the game for other people instead of making sure all those games continue. Idea with good intention, bad consequence :)

Farah - I think you're confused. You -1'd it but then your explanation was actually a +1 ... you're saying the vacation system is poor and needs improvement. That's what we're saying = +1.

I'm not saying I want 10 iterations of 10 days of vacation per year - that's a 100 days, and that's ridiculous. That's not playing the game.

I would be totally happy with 14-20 days a year when I am entitled to opt out of making moves in games without timing out. If I do play, fine, no penalty (don't auto-cancel vacation).

ie: Like every other gaming site that exists today.

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Reply to Farah

You misunderstood me.
My intention was that you could still play while your vacation is active, but commiting would not break your vacation.

you would be able to make a turn during your vacation to prevent stalling.

Edited 6/23/2020 22:18:54

Ah, I see. I misunderstood in that case. Unfortunately, being able to commit while on vacation without breaking it brings another problem. And that problem is ladder stalling. If I'm doing a ladder run and need to stall three games while completing two others, you've now made that extremely easy for me. It was of course already easy, but this only gives the means to stall games in certain competitions. You could of course make an exception for ladder games, but that rips apart the whole idea of vacations.

I don't play ladder games, but is ladder stalling really that big of an issue?

I'm not touching that question with a ten-foot pole :p

Well okay, then.

But my proposal is more oriented towards tournaments and open games, so maybe make it so you can't make a turn in ladder games?

Possibly controversial take, the problem isn't vacations, it's the vacations not honored setting.

If you're taking turns during a vacation you're abusing a feature that is designed for people to take a break from the game.

Vacations not honored makes it difficult to take a true break from the game unless: a) you have all such games/tournaments finished, or b) you don't care about surrendering those games.

Vacation feature would be a lot better with number of days instead of number of vacations. IMO ladder stalling is a niche problem that doesn't arrive that often, but if you enable a feature that is basically custom designed to help it that could change.

No, the problem is not the "vacations not honored" setting.

It's the fact you can't take a vacation in your other games, while still playing in those games.
Your only options is surrendering or getting booted.

Edited 6/24/2020 00:43:50

I fail to see the problem.

You want to put on vacation mode, so you don't want to commit turns in your games. But apparently, there are some games that you do want to take your turn in and you don't want to surrender those. Given that you do not care about surrendering your other games, why take a vacation at all instead of surrendering those games you didn't care about in the first place?

The problem is I can't keep up with all my games when I am to busy to play, so I want an extended boot timer for when I am to busy to play consistently.

Edited 6/24/2020 03:36:05

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For me the problems (plural) are:

(A) not honouring the vac settings
REASON: Excepting certain cases where maybe it's required like certain tournaments, ladders, etc. I have heard a fair bit about "ladder stalling", so maybe they need a preventative mechanism there, but do it in a way that doesn't break vac for the entire game. Or change the way ladders work so stalling isn't beneficial. That's the real problem, and it gets taken out on functionality like this. If the problem is engaging vacation and playing SOME ladder games but not other ladders game - fine, cancel the vac for ladder games if that happens. Maybe vac doesn't make sense for ladder games anyhow b/c they're all in a season anyhow. I'm talking about normal games here. Maybe vac doesn't apply to tournaments either - not sure on that one. They don't have a "season" like ladders, so maybe it's not as important.

(B) canceling the vac if I make a move
REASON: I don't have time to make moves in all my games, but maybe I have time to make a handful of moves. Let's say I have 70 games (I do) and it takes 4+ weeks to "spin down" to a lower quantity because many go on for at least that long, quite often longer for the big maps, high # of players. And sometimes it's not actual vacation I'm going on, I just have a few really busy days or a really busy week, and would rather not time out in all 70 games. But I still might be able to make 1-2 moves that week. I don't get the "all or nothing", play all your games or play none of them philosophy outside of the ladder stalling discussion.

Mythos - If you can't keep up with the boot timers on a regular basis, you're playing too many games, or you're playing games with too short a timer for your needs. Play less, or join ones (or create ones) with high timers.

If it's just in busy times, then yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting vacations should be applicable to.