Hi.

The only unknown for me is whether TWM knew about MOD/Desi as well.

Once we know that ^ we can decide all.

Whether or not TWM knows doesn't determine the punishment for Blitz..... but I suppose it helps decide if you want to punish both clans.

Of course, I was just saying once we have that information. We can inform everyone of our descions. It's not any good doing it in parts.

If points are deducted the other clans shouldn't gain anything. That wouldn't be fair in my eyes.

In your scenario you are saying the games that MOD or Desi won are just abandoned? Just like when a team is stripped of titles in sports by NCAA, you dont give them to runner up?

Uncounted games vs. Auto-loss is slightly different, so...

1) Auto-loss preserves the natural maximum (whatever it is.) Not counting the games removes this maximum (By 12 points for Blitz and 2 for every other clan.)

2) Auto-loss creates an automatic 14 point loss for Blitz (-12 for losses and each other team gets +2 = 14 difference), while uncounted games only does 12.

3) The only *major* difference would be if you scored based on net total (Gained points - Lost points), where Auto-loss would subtract 12 while abandoning the games would not subtract at all (but would lower Blitz's theoretical max).

As far as I'm concerned there's not much difference unless #3 applies, so Auto-loss is good enough.

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That being said, I'm probably on the legalist side, but I think Masters should be punished regardless of TWM's knowledge of it.

i think it's not fair to penalize anyone for anything unless you require them to personally acknowledge to you (say in private mail) that they understand the rules before participating, as not everyone is on the forum. If you really wanted to be all srs bsnss about it.

every single violation has been someone playing in multiple groups right? not the same group, not the same RR?

Pushover - bullskit. this rule was clear to everyone. Especially after gnuff's actions on clan league and ladders. You did not have to be a forum regular to know it. Besides - it's obviously an issue worthy of asking the organizer of the league, so just for not doing that, penalty should be made. Let's cut this alt nonsense already!

@Riya, thats not right, because desi is participating in 3 tournies. 1 1v1 and 2 2v2 tournies. So if he won all his games in those, we would lose 60 points. Then its to consider he don't win everything, but still alot of points will be gone.

@Those who mean the clans who lost to desi should get the points - I my opinion they don't deserve them, simply because they didn't win them. I think best solution (IF you are to take our points) is to abandon all his games, and take away the points for those who won to him aswell.

Edited 7/10/2014 09:43:06

I agree with Fridge and not Pushover - it's a clear rule break that doesn't require much consideration.

And I also agree with Bananashake. Don't gift a team for someone else's rule break. Just penalise the rulebreaker.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Viz3GlgloChi50YIkMjUsU30xuOTfmd1icPsNrgc8FI/edit#gid=0

updates group B: 55,84% compeleted

clan   score   win%  1v1 win%  max points finished games
20     112     74%   67%       206        43
WarL.   54     55%   47%       200        29
French  63     54%   67%       180        37
VIW     57     47%   43%       179        36
XCD     51     42%   45%       168        38
REGL    51     41%   42%       163        39
BIA     39     33%   36%       157        36

20 is clear in front of all other clans like expected. Behind them WarLighters managed to take the second place for now in win% but since they still are a few games behind in total their score is lower then some others below them


Group C: 70,56% completed

clan   score   win%  1v1 win%  max points finished games
Blitz  137     78%   71%       206        50
Lynx    93     68%   61%       201        41
SNinja  82     59%   63%       179        44
Turtle  94     57%   57%       169        49
BR      91     57%   66%       165        49
Swirve  23     14%   14%        96        50
Ohms    22     16%   18%       122        43

Blitz is still in front of Lynx but the case desi can change some things in the score considering desi has taken 26 points in total for Blitz so far.

Strat 1v1 2-3
Strat 2v2 3-0
2v2 Szeurope 2-0

Go Warlighters! Give the Frenchies a shock!

Note: Icelandic Turtles are in second!!!

@Banannashake: If all of his games are abandoned it isn't fair to take away from the points that we received from beating him. It would be the same thing if we beat another blitz player.

I think best solution (IF you are to take our points) is to abandon all his games, and take away the points for those who won to him aswell.

Excluding Blitz, there is currently no difference between abandoning and auto-losing all of Desi's games. The rankings are based on raw score, so the only difference between giving everyone a free win and abandoning is that Blitz will be slightly less behind in the latter scenario. (That, and in the latter scenario, the maximum number of points becomes lower and more confusing.)

I my opinion they don't deserve them, simply because they didn't win them.

On the other hand, those who fairly won the points don't deserve to lose them simply because someone else wasn't following the rules. Personally, I think it's better to give points to those who lost because at least they played by the rules.

On the other hand, those who fairly won the points don't deserve to lose them simply because someone else wasn't following the rules. Personally, I think it's better to give points to those who lost because at least they played by the rules.

I totally agree Riyamitie!

If all of his games are abandoned it isn't fair to take away from the points that we received from beating him.

If they are abandoned, it would be the same as if they were never played. = You wont get those points.

It would be the same thing if we beat another blitz player.

No, because vs another blitz player, the game wouldn't be abandoned.

Thats just the fair and logic way of seeing it. Personally I don't care how many points you get.

@Banannashake

Bananashake* :)

Edited 7/10/2014 20:13:52

auto-losses in all games is unfair to players who won against him. not counting any of his games is also unfair to them + It's not a punishment for either Desi or Blitz, except maybe for Desi's stats (Now a wellknown alt so why would MoD care?)

The points of those who won and lost shouldn't be changed. The clans who had future games against Desi could get 1/3 or 1/2 of the points they could have gotten if they won those games (or something like that).

This is just a suggestion if Miyagi & crew decides to punish Blitz in some way cause it would smallen the gap a little bit. It would also allow the league to continue with a realistic pointdistribution. But personally I don't mind either way since I'm not in that league.

Edited 7/10/2014 20:34:17