It was clearly shown in the rules "no alts".

And there was a previous case too.

Yes. It's hard to accept this without a doubt. And while I like how banana confesses they knew, I feel like currently the most rule-abusing clan is Masters.. with many cases of playing multiple accounts on ladders, tournaments or now in the clan league.. That's upsetting, as i did not expect that from you guys.

As for punishment - i vote for autoloss on all his games. Banana - i believe your clan can still pull it off anyways if you focus enough. It would be not fair if we'd simply accept the situation as-is.

You may say I'm hypocritical, as one of my clanmates did abuse the rules here some time ago, but I am against such practice and will stand strong with those who want to get rid of cheaters. Excuses MoD had less games to what he wanted is ridiculous. he could have joined a number of tournaments instead of a league with clear no-multiaccounting rule. There were other people willing to play for more than one clan including me, but we respected the rules.

hahah thats hilarious, is the whole swirve clan you?

He'd be playing it well if this was the case. (Swirve would be a lot higher up on the group C rankings)

@Fridge - I do think this case is more disturbing than Gnuff because we had all that talk about it last season. Everyone knew it was definitely wrong to play two accounts, especially MOD who was very active in the recent thread regarding the cheating (where we talked about clan league as well). What also adds to it is that a clan mate oversaw this league. I don't know if Miyagi knew about Desi or not prior, but I do know that he has had access to TWM account at times (probably to babysit), so if TWM knew...my guess is Miyagi knew as well.

I think we have to count his games as auto loss for MOD/Desi as well. The message has to be sent somehow.

I agree. The practice has to be cut short.

I am almost positive that Miyagi knew nothing about this. Like banana said we had issues with a loss of clan members expected to play in the league but we could have had others step up. We fully expect all of the points from Desi to be taken away.

My gutt says no (Miyagi did not know), but I have had him reply to mail I sent to TWM, so I am not positive that he didn't know either.

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TournamentID=9639 <- cute.. MoD defeats desi by boot.. surprise surpsise!

I feel like currently the most rule-abusing clan is Masters.. with many cases of playing multiple accounts on ladders, tournaments or now in the clan league..

LoL TWM and TheWarlightMaster is not a big deal bro, every knows who owns the accounts its not like it is a secret alt and tell me truthfully that you have never joined multiple accounts in tournaments before because i will call bull on that...

I don't understand this last point. TheWarlightMaster is not playing TWM in the clan league. Did he play both on the ladder at the same time? IF he did, it doesn't matter to me whether it is known that is him or not. Cheating is cheating regardless of it being public knowledge. I assumed Fridge was talking about MOD. I am not aware of other cases of Master clan players cheating.

BTW, I'm not sure I really care about two accounts in a tournament (provided one is not spying/working for another team or something). Ladders and Clan League, yes.

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Yes - TWM played 1v1 ladder and realtime ladder with two accounts each.. It doesn't matter if people know it's him or not. It's still against the rules.

Setting a good example for MOD I guess.

So is this a case of oversight (TWM failing to mention Desi was MOD to Miyagi)? Or was it intentional (not telling him so MOD could play in both leagues)? It seems like within Blitz, the deception was intentional, just curious if the same is true for Masters.

Cheating is cheating regardless of it being public knowledge.

About the Mod case - Honestly, I would say it's not cheating. Yes, I know its against the rules, BUT it's not cheating. I consider cheating as a thing that helps you to win, or so. And putting him in our lineups didn't give us any advantage that we wouldn't have without him. We could put any of our members in same spots, and probably get about same results from those tournies (if not better, since desi got booted a few times).

Please don't misunderstand me. I know it's illegal, BUT "cheating" is the wrong word, isn't it? :)

EDIT: I expect a reply that says "cheating is to do something illegal". And yeah, basically it is, but i also expect most here (except pulsey) to see my point :)

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silence, cheater!
MoD was your best option!
You wanted him despite it broke rules!
that's a cheat!

That might be, but still all my men could do 5-0 or at least 4-1 in those tournies :) #CallThePoliceSoTheyCanComeAndEatDonutsWithUs

If all your members could pull of those, why did you send someone illegal?

Good question.. NEXT!!

Just kidding, i don't know actually. I guess we see/saw him as an ordinary member of the clan, so when we tried to let all that wanted to play, play, he striked with.
Is that a good enough answer? :)

You can get into semantics on whether you consider it "cheating" or not (entering motive into the equation). To me that is pointless. All that matters is whether a rule was broken, and what the punishment is.

A rule was broken, all we need to know right now is what the punishment is. When will the 'Clan League Summit' conclude? I just want to move on, we know what happened we just need judgement.

Also if we lose those points, do the other teams gain those points? I am fine with losing the points but was taking away points done in the past or is this a new rule. Shockingly, I haven't read through the Clan League rule book so I'll need you guys to enlighten me.

Edited 7/9/2014 18:50:04