I'd be interested to hear the details of the rule that allows them to do it before I make a full opinion; atm I'm inclined to simply state that if linked clans can just swap with each other (whether equal in skill or not), then they have an unfair advantage. Separate clans, however linked, should be considered separate clans for the purpose of CL. I know it's a bit more complicated than this, so I'd be happy to hear anyone's explanation of the relevant rules.

We are not talking about any clan, we are talking about MASTERS. It's not as if the integrity of the competition is compromised by letting some underqualified clan slide into Division A.

This seems really bad logic to me; just because a clan is good/well-known they get to jump to wherever they want? Clans should be treated equally, and a clan that's left CL should not be allowed to jump back in where they left off, in my opinion.
But we're talking majority rules here, and not gonna lie, Div A and B hold the power, and it sounds like a lot of those clans have previously benefited from this (or similar) rules. So they're not likely to vote against this rule.
For what it's worth, I think a rule that allows a clan to leave and then jump three divisions when they want to come back is not a very fair rule. Especially if they are doing it by means of a linked clan, which gives an unfair advantage to the clans that are linked, which I don't think should be allowed. In my opinion, all clans are separate and equal, and the only difference is skill level. Which they can prove by beating the clans they are better than, not by jumping over them.

(I think my opinion got stronger as I I went on. 😉)

Edited 4/8/2020 11:31:27

Lol, so if Masters had joined Apprentice instead, there would be no issue, despite the fact that the only difference is the clan we'd be fighting under.

I don't see why all of Apprentice's hard work should be scrapped because we decided to merge with Masters.

Not to mention, CL history is full of precedence about clans not being about the tag, but the collection of players:
- Outlaws taking 101sts spot
- ONE! taking XS's spot
- Hydra taking Illuminati's spot.

None of these were done by clan vote, as they shouldn't be.

"I genuinely don't understand why people are complaining. We are not talking about any clan, we are talking about MASTERS. It's not as if the integrity of the competition is compromised by letting some underqualified clan slide into Division A.

Don't be jealous."

Wrong way to look at it imo. If Masters wasn't willing to merge with anyone, they deserve to start in D. They're just using an avenue that's available to all clans.

Such a big conflict of interest.

What is the audit panel doing about this?

@TBest

This was from the past time multiple teams per clan was discussed. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q7qwbAP0OvX4pC64DjQ5ZoERL4atQJdM1oaIlMZiMOc/pubhtml

I saw your point, Cowboy. If you see the Clan League History Master can plays with Apprentice spot, yes. But we can change the rule, if this generation of players/clans needs to change it.

Such a big conflict of interest.

that is exactly the issue here, since Div A and B have all the power. as Cowboy mentioned, many of these clans have benefited from similar rulings in the past.

NoName's got a decent solution, I think. Allow it this time because of precedent, but I think the rules should be changed, because it gives some clans an unfair advantage.

I genuinely don't understand why people are complaining. We are not talking about any clan, we are talking about MASTERS. It's not as if the integrity of the competition is compromised by letting some underqualified clan slide into Division A.

I agree that this isnt a good argument and shouldnt be used. A clans skill is imo not an excuse to put it in any division. But thats also not why Mappsters expect to start in B.

it's time to rectify this rule and put an end to all these injustices!
For each case mentioned there was a huge drama !! with lots of people disagree! This proves that this rule is not good!

Apprentices are recruiting btw. If some non french, non italian (italians are up to further discussion, if they want to join badly) are interested in joining, text me, min34, cowboy, nero or B. Just write a little text about who you are and why you'd like to join apprentices :)

@Bim

Not true. Only 2 decisions were controversial.

Outlaws and 101st
Lynx and 101st

First because it was a spot being taken from a clan that still wanted to play, IE the precedence of clans not being the tag, but the set of players.

Second, because Lynx wasn't allowed to have the spot, which was considered bad for the health of the league, and contributed to a diminished level of competition.

Edited 4/8/2020 11:47:51

ok, now, 3rd !!
let's do this vote with all the clans participating in the CL pls! At least we will know what people think
(my thoughts are for myself, Lynx has nothing to do with it)

Edited 4/8/2020 11:56:08

Why the div D clans want Masters to start from D so badly? Masters will just block the promotion spot in D from other clans, how is that fair to other div D clans?

Ask Vikinger this season! 3 div B clan (at least) in div D !! they had 0% luck to be promoted !
Is one of this 3 clans started in div B ? No ! Cause it s the normal way for every clan !
Why Master s player don t want to play with Apps tag ?

Edited 4/8/2020 12:08:48

Voting is redundant imo. Masters is well within the right to use the rule as any other clan could. They shouldn't be punished because clans like FC didn't do it.
So I do not agree with a vote on Masters claiming the spot.

Now whether the rule should be redacted or not, I don't think a vote is necessary there either. If the community as a whole thinks the rule should be scrapped, I'd consider it, but remember, clans both from mergers (Hydra) and clans being formed from splitting off of others (ONE, Outlaws), will no longer be allowed to happen, which is not good for the state of clans, let alone CL

@Zev imo Polish Eagles is not a division B clan. They have holes that severely hurt their chances of promotion this season, and this was even more true of Vikinger, who has yet to beat German Warlords

Yes, Cowboy. In my opinion we can end this rule with Master in Div.A/B this time but then try to vote together to change this rule. Because is not clean in my opinion. I agree with Norman, for example.

MoD seems like fake Hitler.. very sad to read how u write every time

Ask Vikinger this season! 3 div B clan (at least) in div D !! they had 0% luck to be promoted !

I agree with this, but the real problem is that we have 4 division levels. I was against it from the start. People wouldn't mind so much if the discussion was about whether Masters play in B or C next season. But new strong clans starting from 4th division level was a bad idea from the start.

Don't bully my friend Mod. He is very handsome and doesn't deserve to be bullied.