the word of the god is literally Jesus. John 1:1 says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:14 completes this thought: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." if you dont feel like taking the effort to read a couple quotes from the bible just say it outright.
none of God's children are in hell. Galatians 3:26 says "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." if someone believes in jesus, they are a child of god, and therefore they arent going to hell. my brothers and sisters, both physically and spiritually, are going to be perfectly fine when the last trumpet sounds.
reread the plan for salvation i posted above. salvation is a free gift; you don't have to go to church to get it, you don't have to quit sinning to get it, you dont have to speak in tongues, win souls to christ, take the eucharist, or even get baptized to get it. all you gotta do is believe. if someone isnt willing to make that simple step, that one tiny leap of faith, to ensure their eternal salvation, they have no one to blame but themselves.
editing to mention that dumb quote. there are a million things that people assert without evidence every day. for the unbelievers, morals are entirely subjective. the reason murder, rape, etc are accepted as being evil, even among unbelievers, is explained in Romans 2:14-15: "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"
there are a million other resources on basic fundamental christian doctrines other than me out there, most of them saying the same stuff im saying here. please use the faqs before the forums.

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Romans 1:29
Show me one homosexual who fits this definition. Seems like those two angels misinformed your omniscient god.

Leviticus 25:44-45
It doesn't make sense to compare slaves with employed ones, employed people are allowed to leave and join as they wish. Moreover, they get paid. Slaves don't.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Adultery might be wrong but honour killing only women is not certainly a good idea. It's cruelty by your omnibenevolent god.

Leviticus 21:18-19
That's definitely a lot of injustice from your righteous god.

Leviticus 20:9
Cursing parents is one of the worst things a child can do but honour killing should not be an answer. Not from your omnibenevolent god.

2 Kings 2:23-24
I don't get this explanation.

Psalm 137:9
I get that one.

a lot of the problems you have with the bible stem from just poor reading and inferencing ability.
Why did your god make bible hard to understand then? To keep poor and underprivileged under control and deprived?

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
That's the point, no woman grabs a man's privates while getting between a brawl. Your god sounds stupid even stating these non-happening thing. Totally a failure.

Deuteronomy 23:1
Wow, that's justice. Make a woman lower to male, submit to the husband, cover head, make her work the entire day at home and if she disapproves and changes gender, how did she dare?

Ephesians 5:22
A utopia built upon suppressed people would not be utopia at all.

1 Peter 2:18
Explain that.

Exodus 22:18
Sorcery doesn't even exist. And if it exists why only women?

@Marcus Adding onto neodanubian's response, the bible calls unbelievers children of wrath, not children of God.
Eph. 2:3 - "Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest."

The same God who is described as good and loving is also described as just and a consuming fire... you can't ignore certain attributes of God. Since God is just, He must punish sin. If a judge pardoned someone because they said, "Look at all the good things I've done", that wouldn't be a just judge.
Prov. 17:15 - "He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD."
Does this mean that God becomes an abomination to Himself when He allows any of us to be saved? No, because God's wrath was satisfied with the death of Jesus ("It is finished"). He became a curse and bore the punishment of our sins:
Deut. 21:23 - "his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance."
Let me rephrase your question: why would God send us a Redeemer to be able to spend eternity with Him in spite of all of the sin we've committed in our lives?

In today's special episode of Making White Dudes Type Paragraphs, a relatively wholesome thread about sharing inspirational Bible verses turns into... a full-blown internet dumpster fire!

Are we going to get a gay rights debate or abortion debate first? How long will we go before someone mentioning pedophilia and/or genocide? If someone quotes the Bible in a forest and no edgy internet atheist shows up to debate them, did it even really happen?

Stay tuned to find out, today on Making White Dudes Type Paragraphs, right after another multi-paragraph /r/atheism copypasta!

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And now, back to your regularly scheduled Bible verse:

"For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven."

Mark 12:25 (KJV)

Commentary: Self-explanatory. There is no marriage (and by implication, no sex) in heaven. Those 72 virgins I was promised are going to remain virgins even after I show up to the party. :(

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So, damnation in christianity is just like:
'Accept jesus as god's son (blindly, without any sufficient evidence), follow and accept what he says (whether be it sexist, homophobic and cruel) your entire life (RIP free will), and you get into that boring heaven (how could you stay happy when your loved ones are in hell even if they didn't do a bad thing their entire life, the only allegedly bad thing they did was denying jesus as god's son, RIP benevolent god) (RIP those who never heard of jeses) and if you don't, you get into that hell where you'll get fried and fried and fried eternally. (RIP omnibenevolent god)

So, damnation in christianity is just like:
'Accept jesus as god's son (blindly, without any sufficient evidence), follow and accept what he says (whether be it sexist, homophobic and cruel) your entire life (RIP free will), and you get into that boring heaven (how could you stay happy when your loved ones are in hell even if they didn't do a bad thing their entire life, the only allegedly bad thing they did was denying jesus as god's son, RIP benevolent god) (RIP those who never heard of jeses) and if you don't, you get into that hell where you'll get fried and fried and fried eternally. (RIP omnibenevolent god)

Literally all those Bible verses you and Nauz posted, they all make sense if you actually read 1-3 verse before and after them. You can't "nit-pick" the Bible. They all make sense. All the violence is either the Israelites attacking the surrounding armies or other armies attacking the Israelites. So maybe go ahead and read the Bible verses before and after the ones you pointed out.

There have been many atheists setting out to prove the resurrection and the Bible wrong and inaccurate. They were changed by their own evidence. They set out to prove it wrong ,but were convinced it was right by all the evidence for it. One of those people being Lee Strobel, a former atheist journalist. He wrote The Case for Christ which I recommend you read! :D

@ganymedes @Marcus - there is total evidence for Jesus and Him rising again. If there was no evidence for the resurrection, there would be no point of Jesus and the Bible. But there is evidence. And I will be willing to PM you if you want about it? :)

In Heaven, there is no sadness or depression. Although, once in Heaven if we find out our son or mother or grandmother didn't believe in Jesus as the Son of God and come to Heaven , we will still find peace in our hearts that they heard about Jesus as the Son of God.

It says in the Bible no one pass away without hearing about Jesus as the Son of God and how He can save You WITH the exception of little infants. So, the person in Heaven would find peace in his/hers heart knowing their relative or friend heard about Jesus.


Everyone makes mistakes and God forgives him.

and you get into that boring heaven. God is preparing His believers mansions right now. As I said above , it as their choice to believe or not. God doesn't at all force people to believe. Jesus would not go where he was not wanted.

I think neodanubian talked great about that you don't need to get baptized, go to church, etc... You just have to take that little leap of faith and believe Jesus died for your sins and is the Son of God.

@Marcus and ganymedes, Jesus cares for you both and loves you both. He wants to believe in Him. He wants you to love Him as He does you.


Please, if you want to PM me, please do so.

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Doing good deeds and giving to the poor won't get you into Heaven.


Only believing that Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice and is the Son of God will.

@Marcus, if your grandmother truly believed Jesus was the Son of God, yes, she went to Heaven. If you accept Jesus as your Savior, you will get to be with her for eternity.

My great-grandfather died years ago. We had no idea if he believed or not. He died at 95 I think and was a great WW2 Bomber and won at least a dozen medals for that. He was an extremely nice person and very likeable. Remember, he went to church but that doesn't mean you are saved. There are some people who go to church to hang with friends or just listen to music. Anyways, right before he died, my grandparents were beside his bed. The window was open and they were about to close it, but then he said, although quiet, he said something like "Keep it open. A bright light is in the clouds coming for me."
He then died. It was a cloudy and dreary so there was no light outside really.
I believe he went to Heaven and was saved.

I hope that helps.

Please PM me if you have any questions or want to talk about anything

This will be my last message.

Again, you are all avoiding my question. Can YOU as a Christian live in Heaven knowing that so many of us are burning in Hell? I am not asking what the Bible says, I am asking what you think and feel.

What sin did children with anencephaly make, children born blind, horribly disfigured, whose every waking moment of every waking day is nothing but pain? Children who will never know love from a significant other, children who can never truly live life, who will never understand why it is that other people can walk and breathe comfortably but they are born with crippled legs and underdeveloped lungs. Children whose pain would translate into hate, if only they lived long enough. You are telling me that Jesus loves them, that they are all part of a plan we can never understand?

If thoughts and prayers work, do not pray for yourselves, only the selfish would do that. Pray for an end to global warming, pray to an end of rich pedophiles fucking little girls while the overwhelming majority of the population watches the very media that helps them maintain their egotistical operations. Christianity has been the dominant religion for over 1,500 years, and is arguably still dominant today, yet look at the world, look at what Christianity has done when it had absolute power, it surpressed criticism, it condoned wars in foreing lands (US clearly very Christian in this sense). In Spain the Catholic church sided with Franco, and today is exempt from tax because its Opus Dei cult has members in politics pulling the strings. Even Catholic priests fuck children.

Religion has always been a tool for control, dogmatic faith is pushed by clerics of the church so that a few individuals can keep their power, benefitting from a complacent population.

Christianity in a nutshell: God created all of us, browns, whites and yellows, and so we should love them, unless they live on land you want.

"Can YOU as a Christian live in Heaven knowing that so many of us are burning in Hell?" I can't live on earth knowing that so many people are going to burn in hell... I want everyone to be saved. I've often asked God why He saved me and not someone better, but I know I won't get the answer to that question on earth. While you're still on this earth, you have a choice as to whether you deny your will and follow God or not.

"What sin did children with..." They didn't commit any sins to be born that way. If they die young or if they're mentally underdeveloped, they'll go to heaven.

You must've missed my comment when I said that it's harder for the rich/powerful to get to heaven, precisely because they can abuse their power for their own selfish benefit. Christianity thrives when it's persecuted, not when it's a state religion. I'm a libertarian, so I oppose the foreign interventionism and suppression of freedom of speech you mentioned.

Libertarian, yet accepts authoritarian christianity.

@Viking, I remember you stating 'I have proof of god's existence' well, buckle it up if you have. I hope it's sensible, unlike bible and your psychopath god.

Talking of christianity being used as a political tool and priests raping children and nuns behind jesus's statue. Your god allowing that to happen, them taking advantage of a god thing and yet silent, doesn't make sense.
(Edit: Sorry even your god likes raping children, example 12-year-old Mary)

You know, I'm done here, all I wanted to prove was that christiany is flawed. A big thanks to @neodanubian for showing this religion's true face as sexist, double-standard, albeist, non-omnibenevolent and homophobic.
Moreover, reading through bible I don't feel like devil is evil. Between god and devil, god did all of the evils like murder, genocide, discriminate and rape a young girl.
Christianity was a product of frustrated men, not god. Otherwise he'd have made a religion that no one questions or at least doesn't take advantage and rape children and women right behind juses' statue.

> "Authoritarian Christianity"
> "Otherwise he'd have made a religion that no one questions"
Pick one.

God wanted Israel to be ruled by Him (a true theocracy) in the old testament, and not by kings, but Israel wanted a king.

No one questions as in, not able to find a question. Don't mix those two, I'm saying authoritarian as how bible says that everyone must submit and not criticise even when it's blatantly stupid.

That's it? Gonna ignore everything else I stated? What about all the bad things happening behind statue and god not being able to do anything?

Speaking of you, you are christian cuz your parents were, you didn't choose it. It's the same thing with all of the religion, religion barely convinces anyone in this era. Speaking of me I chose agnosticism/atheist, I wasn't by birth.

I don't get why missionaries don't preach the bad things that come with christianity, only the good side is mentioned. God sent us his son who god wanted to get killed to justify our sins if you accept him you are saved. Let gone he's psychopath.

Seems like you are trying to find errors in my statements and just ignore the bible full of errors even when it's from a god.

You seriously need to take off your 'christianity' glasses and wear the 'truth' ones.

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No matter how hard you try, christianity will stay shit, it won't turn into gold.

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of some phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.

@ganymedes "That's it? Gonna ignore everything else I stated?"
Yes, because I said we were done arguing. My parents are Pentecostal, I'd call myself nondenominational Protestant because I don't believe everything that Pentecostals do and I don't fit into a denomination. If I was Christian just because my parents were and never questioned anything, I'd remain a Pentecostal.

@gany, can I just say: before you turned up, this debate was respectful, with little/no personal attacks on anyone. Please, try to keep it that way. I don't want this to disintegrate into a shouting match, but rather a calm, thought-through discussion. While I don't agree with their viewpoints, Marcus and Aura were able to do this very well. And while I don't agree entirely with Marcus' quote about "no evidence assertion, no evidence dismissal", it certainly has some truth to it: no-one is going to listen to someone who just shouts their view and trashes other people who holds different view, whether that someone is atheist or Christian or anything. So please don't lose your cool.

Here's one for us Bible-bashers 😉

And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.

Galatians 6:9 NKJV

Commentary: Don't stop doing good works for Christ, even when it feels like nothing will come of it and the whole world is in opposition to it. God sees what is done in secret (and in public 😉) and He will reward us one day for our efforts.

The mental gymnastics you people go through to try and justify the word of "God" is amusing.

You claim the book is the word of God, yet the parts that are horrific you reinterpret to be more palatable.

Spoiler: None of it is the word of god. It's all the word of man, mostly that of ancient kings. Its original purpose was to control the masses. Want to create a new law, but you want people to follow it? Add it to the bible, make people think they'll burn in hell if they don't listen. It's super effective.

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@Nauz, the only kings who wrote any part of the Bible were David and Solomon. And the books (parts of Psalms, Proverbs, and Song of Solomon) they wrote were hardly for controlling the masses. The rest of the Bible's author were all people who had little/no earthly authority, and certainly had nothing to gain by what they wrote; almost all the early Apostles were killed for their statement that Jesus rose from the dead. I don't know about you, but I find it mighty hard to believe that someone would willingly die for proclaiming something they know is a lie. Now, in my opinion, the only logical conclusion from this is that at the very least the apostles believed what they wrote: that Christ was raised from the dead.


One other thing: people trying to quote the Bible against us, have you noticed the one thing that nearly all the verses you've quoted have in common? They are almost all from the Old Testament, mostly old laws of Judaism that God overruled after the Resurrection of Jesus with the law of love. Because "the wages of sin is death", atonement for sins required blood to be spilled, hence the brutal punishments for sins described in the Old Testament.
However, when Jesus was crucified, His blood was the ultimate sacrifice, and if you accept His sacrifice then your sins will be forgiven, and you will have life after death. At the hour of His death, the curtain of the Holy of Holies (the innermost part of the temple where God dwelt) was torn, which symbolises the fact that thereafter, no-one needs a priest to intercede on behalf of the people, no-one needs to sacrifice animals to become clean any more; with Jesus' death and resurrection, the old law was removed, and a new put in place. Hence the fact that for Christians, the old laws and punishments in the Old Testament are no longer applicable. Then why are they in the Bible? To show us how difficult it was to come to God before and just how much Jesus' death and resurrection changed things.

Hope that makes sense.

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