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@Nauzhror You're the one who took verses out of context to fit your narrative. I wonder if you'll use Luke 19:27 next to show Jesus taught violence.
For the 100th time, Christianity isn't a list of rules. If you read the old testament, you'd know the Israelites did a poor job of following the law. This shows we need a Saviour and the Holy Spirit to write the law on our hearts and help us to obey.

I don't have time to write a huge script right now, but will try to do so in the morning.

I don't have a narrative. I don't believe in your god. I'm not trying to convert anyone to atheism.

I am however sick of listening to your narrative. Believe whatever you wish, quietly.

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The mental gymnastics you people go through [...] is amusing

I am however sick of listening to your narrative.

Amusing or tiring, which one? ;) (sorry, couldn't help myself)

Believe whatever you wish, quietly.

Also, as I have pointed out several times earlier, this thread is 100% allowed (I even asked Fizzer, and he agreed). If you don't like it, don't click on it.

Genesis 22:5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.
This is a portion from where Abraham offers Isaac to the Lord upon a mountain in Moriah, (likely the same mountain king Solomon built the first temple upon, and later the mountain that Jesus was crucified upon) and one notices immediately how nonchalant Abraham is in this story. This attitude is explained in the New Testament.
Hebrews 11:17-19 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
We can learn here that Abraham was truly ready to sacrifice Isaac, because he knew that God would not allow his promise to make of him a great nation be unfulfilled. Assuming that this is the same mountain Jesus was crucified upon, the beautiful imagery and prophecy portrayed when the ram's horns are caught in the thorns, and then sacrificed in place of Isaac, makes this without a doubt my favorite prophecy concerning Jesus in the Old Testament.

@neo, that is very interesting! I know Jesus was crucified on the hill of Golgotha outside Jerusalem, but didn't know that it was (could be, I don't think anyone knows for sure) the same hill that that happened on... I agree with you, it is beautiful imagery that I wasn't aware of before.

@TLA LND, I have not been rude with any human since the argument began, I only ridiculed christianity and your psychopath god. If I were to accept a god and a religion, it definitely would not be christianity.

And did you ever wonder, why christianity had been a huge failure in India even after 2000 years of teaching? Well, you gotta read.

Views of our first prime minister Shri Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru who had been an atheist: http://aaiil.org/text/books/others/aaiilindia/christianityeyespanditjawaharlalnehru/christianityeyespanditjawaharlalnehru.pdf

Swami Vivekananda an Indian monk and mystic: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_8/Notes_Of_Class_Talks_And_Lectures/Christianity_In_India

Indian philosopher former president and education minister Doctor Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan wrote:
Unfortunately, Christian religion inherited the Semitic creed of the ‘jealous God’ in the view of Christ as ‘the only begotten son of God’ so could not brook any rival near the throne. When Europe accepted the Christian religion, in spite of its own broad humanism, it accepted the fierce intolerance which is the natural result of belief in 'the truth once for all delivered to the saints.'

Raja Ram Mohan Roy criticized Christian doctrines and asserted that they are "unreasonable" and "self-contradictory". He further adds that people were embracing Christianity due to the economic hardship and weakness, just like European Jews were pressured to embrace Christianity, by both encouragement and force.

Philosopher Dayanand Saraswati, regarded Christianity as "barbarous religion, and a 'false religion' religion believed only by fools and by the people in a state of barbarism," he included that Bible contains many stories and precepts that are immoral, praising cruelty, deceit and encouraging sin.

K.M. Panikkar argued that the attempt to convert Asia has definitely failed and that this failure was due to the missionaries' claim of a monopoly of truth which was alien to the Asian mind; their association with imperialism and the attitude of moral and racial superiority of the Christian West.

Ram Swarup insisted that monotheistic religions like Christianity "nurtured among their adherents a lack of respect for other religions"

Arun Shourie urged Indians to be "alert to the fact that missionaries have but one goal - that of harvesting us for the church"; and he wrote that they have "developed a very well-knit, powerful, extremely well-endowed organizational framework" for attaining that goal. In his "widely read and cited" book Missionaries in India, Shourie tried to build a case that Christian evangelistic methods were cynically calculating and materialistic, and to Shourie, missionary strategizing "sounded more like the Planning Commission, if not the Pentagon, than like Jesus".

Acts 17:22-31
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
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You only have one chance, one life, to make the right decision. God puts before us the decision plainly in Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" And in Hebrews, we are reminded again of this one opportunity to get right with God. Hebrews 9:27: "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

@Gany, you've quoted a bunch of people I've never heard of and given no credentials; I've got little reason to take seriously what they're saying. I'm not saying they aren't credible; I'm just saying that I can't know that they are from what you've told me.

Also, even when I assume they are credible, there is no evidence in what you've quoted to support any of their claims. They simply made the claims, with (as far as I know) nothing to back it up.

Also, Jesus preached that all men (and women) are equal. That's very different to what (to use the example of India) Hinduism teaches; in Hinduism, people are not equal and never will be. In fact, some people are all together inferior to others.

Now, I know that compared with the population of the country, there aren't a whole lot of Christians in India; Wikipedia says 28 million. But if you think about it, that's more than the entire population of my country, Australia. That's quite a lot.

And one more thing: don't let Christians put you off Jesus. 😉 We aren't perfect, so I wouldn't use Christians' bad actions against Christianity, just like I haven't used atheists' actions against atheism.

Those were the brightest minds of India, most of them had their education in British universities. They don't oppose or hate Christianity, they just hated the idea of monopoly in religion, preaching, forcing people to convert and showing others religion as inferior.
I don't think anything they said is wrong, if they are wrong, prove it.

Hinduism teaches that on an ontological level of the jīvātman (spiritual self), all sentient beings are “equal” in that we are all minute aspects of the totality of Being, the Unified Field. Popularly stated as “God dwells within each and every sentient being.” Indians greet by saying namaste which means “the divine in me salutes the divine in you!”
Many Hindu texts and doctrines question and disagree with the Varna system of social classifications and castes.

28 million Christians in India, in case you don't know, most of them live in states that lie in extreme northeast (just like Alaska in the USA) plus that number is steadily declining.

I really never hated Christianity until a missionary tried to convert me for 5 months, can you believe that?
We Indians never hate any religion, we want it to flourish we celebrate all of the religious festivals cuz they are fun and we even go to churches and mosques to pray. We just hate the idea of preaching, the idea of calling non-Christians, unbelievers, we hate the idea of calling non-muslims, kaafir and we hate the idea of forcing people to convert.

Speaking of me, I like Jesus and his teachings (there are certain things I don't agree with tho) but I think you guys should really stop the preaching thing. If there is a god and he's omnibenevolent and wants all to reach him, then I'm sure that he must have made multiple ways to him and humanity must also be part of it. There is never a single way to somewhere.

I didn't know we were preaching, I thought we were just posting verses... oh right, that's exactly what we were doing, so I guess we have no problem then.

Romans 4:1-5 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

This verse describes how even in the old testament, believers were still justified through their faith; the sacrifices they performed had nothing to do with salvation. The old testament saints had to look forward towards the crucifixion of Christ, and we have to look backward, and I'm very thankful that we get the easier end of the deal.

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I'm glad that you're understanding, now it’s really strange to post verses to people who don’t hold the same beliefs as you to conform to your morals because you are quoting a book that they don't read. People that aren’t Christians have never tried to force their morality on Christians, so this is an odd practice in Christendom. Even Jesus didn’t blame pagans for acting like pagans. Yet, you insist that your beliefs apply to the culture at large even though most don’t share your beliefs.
What you need to face is that public perception has shifted. You live in a post-Christian world where you’re no longer relevant to the culture at large. Whatever influence Christians used to have, much like a parasite trying to reconnect to its host for fear of dying, many of you are thrashing about trying to create waves and convince people you are relevant within the culture.
I don't understand the fact that why do so many Christians think their social media feed is a place to show the world their weirdness? It gives the impression that if you’re going to follow Jesus you also need to become socially awkward.
I'm not telling you that you should stop that, do it in person but the internet, especially a game's forum (even if it's allowed) is definitely not a good idea. It makes you look weird.
If I follow a person or someone's teachings and go around the internet posting his sayings randomly, what would that make me? Would that make me look very moral? Wouldn't there be hundreds of threads for each ideology? Each country? Each great personality?

Goodbye!

Hm... the views held by a third of the world's population are no longer relevant... something doesn't quite click there.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Matthew 28:18‭-‬20 NKJV

Commentary: I think that answers your question, Gany. 😉

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LND:
Hm... the views held by a third of the world's population are no longer relevant... something doesn't quite click there.

Also LND:
And I agree with Aura about grouping Christians together, not a good idea.

That is contradictory.

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Incest is wincest

@Gany I follow an agnostic who ran for US president for the Libertarian Party in 2016 on Facebook, and one time he posted a verse from the bible because he thought it was a nice verse... people accused him of "bible thumping".
Christianity will never be relevant to the world's culture.
I don't post Christian content on my social media, partly because most of my friends are atheist anyway. I just saw this forum thread one day and thought I'd join in.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Proverbs 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.

God knows that the world is corrupt, yet the world denies it's corruption and instead calls it humanity or decency. God then commands us to be separate and distinguishable from the world.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

One quality that God always displays is a love for distinguishing features between people, animals, plants, and foods. In the beginning, he created male and female, then at the tower of Babel, God confounded the people's language so that they spake in diverse tongues. In the new testament, God commands men to have short hair, and women to have long hair; men to wear clothing pertaining to me, and women that which pertains to women. One thing to note is that God never specifies a length for when hair is long and when hair is short. He doesn't want a gray area to exist; he wants the differences to be accentuated, not muted.